Hi All,
I just recovered the link to the videos (obliquely referred to below) of readings by Jill Jones and numerous other Australian and New Zealand poets. Highly recommended.
http://www.nzepc.auckland.ac.nz/features/home&away/video-sydney.asp
Barry
On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 10:44:11 +0930, Jill Jones <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>Below are responses I made to Barry's query to me re the snap I posted
>last week and his follow-up. I mistakenly replied to him alone and not
>to the list as a whole - a product of the slightly overwhelmed space
>I'm operating in at the mo'. So I have appended mine and his responses
>below, starting from the most recent.
>
>I have just literally arrived in Sydney for a few days, as in just
>walked in the door, so may add more later in the day when I get my sea
>legs.
>
>Cheers all,
>Jill
>
>________________
>
>
>Hi Jill,
>
>Thanks for the detailed response, but surprised you didn't post it to
>Poetryetc as well. ...
>
>That "l" completely derailed me, even to the point of never
>considering that you were modulating the possibilities of "repeat and
>change" from line 1 thru line 8.
>
>For a time I thought you might be working with Reich's comments on how
>he revised OCTET into EIGHT LINES:
>
>"In addition to the original scoring for Octet (string quartet, two
>pianos, and two clarinets doubling both bass clarinet and flute as
>well as piccolo), Reich added another string quartet. Eight Lines is
>exactly the same piece as Octet, but adds additional players to make
>the performance easier. As Reich describes it, the additional two
>violins solve "the difficulty of playing rather awkward double stops
>in tune," and the additional viola and cello "allow the rapid eighth-
>note patterns to be broken up between ... two players" to prevent
>fatigue. In 1985 New York City Ballet balletmaster Jerome Robbins made
>an eponymous dance to this music."
>
>My most recent working with musical ideas resulted from attending a 3-
>part presentation about the composer Lou Harrison, with whom Steve
>Reich must have had contact when he was living in Northern California.
>
>Enjoyed the video I saw of you reading & introducing at a poetry
>confluence in New Zealand.
>
>Barry
>
>--- On Mon, 4/18/11, [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> From: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: Fwd: snap - eight lines
>> To: "Barry Alpert" <[log in to unmask]>
>> Date: Monday, April 18, 2011, 12:53 AM
>> Hi Barry,
>>
>> Thanks for the question - and all the links. I had some trouble with
>> the flicker so could not sit through the whole video, but got the
>> drift. My vision isn't what it used to be. Your words say well, so
>> far as I could see/hear.
>>
>> Possibly I was a bit misleading in my previous email. I began with
>> the words 'repeat and change', as is apparent, and changed them
>> whilst adding an element (the consonant 'l'). It was a momentary
>> 'snap' of an idea - I had been doing a
>> bit of reading around music, including Reich, but the phrase is a
>> misremembering of something that was written about Brian Eno's work
>> (I think). My listening / hearing of Eight Lines, a version of which
>> was playing while I was reading, did
>> not feed directly into that writing, ie I wasn't trying to translate
>> sounds, but it was me doing some play with the idea of what 'repeat
>> and change' could mean as a generative process. A kind of naive
>> play, as play it was - I mucked about rather than set up a process
>> and let it run.
>>
>> I have been finding it difficult, if almost impossible, to write
>> lately - lots of factors - so I am happy for anything that spurs me
>> on. Ideas around composing music, though not the same as thinking
>> about composing poems, often help me, but in an associative way more
>> than a direct way. I'm also newly involved in a professional/
>> institutional association with composers/musicians so music-and-
>> words was on my mind.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jill
>
>__________________________
>Jill Jones
>[log in to unmask]
>
>website: www.jilljones.com.au
>blog: rubystreet.blogspot.com
>
>On 18/04/2011, at 2:03 AM, Barry Alpert wrote:
>
>> Hi Jill,
>>
>> Initially I thought this poem was written out of drafts and
>> fragments you were sorting thru, salvaging bits and trying to place
>> them in some sort of relation to other bits. That had been your
>> last compositional practice evidenced here.
>>
>> But now that you mention Steve Reich's EIGHT LINES, which never came
>> to mind at least partly because I remember it as OCTET, I can see
>> how your lines 5-8 rework the letters available in the first four
>> lines ("repeat and change"). I've occasionally translated psycho-
>> acoustic sound into words, but listening to EIGHT LINES on youtube I
>> can't hear the words which make up your lines 1-4. So perhaps you
>> can tell us more about this particular process of composition.
>>
>> For Poetryetc list members here's a link to a complete performance
>> (in 2 parts) of EIGHT LINES:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie3sVmiVuUQ&NR=1
>>
>> For a fairly recent example of my translation of psycho-acoustic
>> sound and visual image into words:
>>
>> http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=3001
>>
>> And its source, with a warning in front that this flicker film by
>> Paul Sharits with sound and body by David Franks could set off an
>> epileptic fit or at least drive you to turn it off. Still a very
>> powerful experience for me when I watched it for perhaps the sixth
>> time, ideally situated front row center at the National Gallery of
>> Art in Washington DC, and wrote the above text, without remembering
>> for sure what Franks was saying over and over again.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKXOdjydIR0
>>
>>
>> Barry
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 7 Apr 2011 23:53:56 +0000, [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Barry,
>>>
>>> That's interesting about your email's version of what I sent. I'm
>>> operating from
>>> a webmail system at the moment and it does not show up.
>>>
>>> I should ask what you did imagine before I go into details, but I
>>> will say that
>>> the title 'Eight Lines' is also the title of a piece by Steve
>>> Reich, that I was
>>> listening to at the time. And the phrase 'repeat and change' was
>>> the source of
>>> the text generation.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Jill
>>>
>>>
>>> P.S. By the way, all my poetryetc friends, I have been much
>>> preoccupied with
>>> multitudinous 'stuff' over the last couple of months and, though I
>>> see
>>> discussions, snaps and other material sweep through my in-box, I
>>> have not been
>>> able to enter into the stream. This snap is the first 'anything' -
>>> minimal as it
>>> is - I have written, apart from admin or student-based necessities,
>>> for ages.
>>> (Now I have a lecture on Ashbery to prepare.) Even emails have been
>>> all
>>> business-related. I hope for a freeing up soon, so I can join in
>>> the exchange again.
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________
>>> Jill Jones
>>>
>>> www.jilljones.com.au
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri Apr 8 6:30 , Barry Alpert <[log in to unmask]> sent:
>>>
>>>> I enjoyed rereading your poem. Altered syntactical relations came
>>>> to mind. I
>>> believe I can imagine your process of composition.
>>>>
>>>> Though your two instructional lines in appear when one clicks on
>>>> your first
>>> post of this within the archive, but not when one merely positions
>>> the cursor
>>> over the link.
>>>>
>>>> Barry
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 7 Apr 2011 04:11:38 +0000, [log in to unmask] [log in to unmask]
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> two lines missing from under poem when I sent this
>>>>>
>>>>> repeat
>>>>> and change
>>>>>
>>>>> which I enclosed with , each. But my webmail probably interpreted
>>>>> it as some
>>>>> kind of code and deleted.
>>>>>
>>>>> J
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________
>>>>> Jill Jones
>>>>>
>>>>> www.jilljones.com.au
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: [log in to unmask] [log in to unmask]>
>>>>> To: ''Poetryetc : poetry and poetics'' [log in to unmask]>
>>>>> Sent: Thu Apr 7 14:08
>>>>> Subject: Fwd: snap - eight lines
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> reap angel
>>>>>
>>>>> dance eat
>>>>>
>>>>> hang and
>>>>>
>>>>> chang p-chang
>>>>>
>>>>> rap a pan
>>>>>
>>>>> gel gel, gel
>>>>>
>>>>> re danger, get
>>>>>
>>>>> rapt, ha
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________
>>>>> Jill Jones
>>>>>
>>>>> www.jilljones.com.au
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