I agree with that sentiment very much, Danny, but realised that CRUMB has
quite clear guidelines and didn't want to go against an overview that I
don't possess (e.g. through admin rights or a consistent close reading of
posts as these have stretched over aeons). Perhaps the ideal scenario is
for a sense to emerge collectively of which discussions are appropriate
for one context (more general, CRUMB), and the other (more practical,
acedigitaluncut)...?
I'm open to whatever people think!
Bests,
Pauline.
> As an international subscriber I'm finding the conversations very
> productive, so if the moderators were happy I would hope that it could
> continue here. For those of us working in English-language contexts the
> models for justification of new media arts draw on distinctions hatched in
> the UK, even if every situation is different. All the UK debates point to
> dynamics that will or could be present in our own settings as Sarah
> suggests, and I would feel concerned if a new-media-curating list was not
> able to discuss any national situation (in any country) that substantially
> affected the viability of the organisations supporting new media arts.
>
> Of course, if Pauline's list is a better forum for a more focussed debate
> that's great, but it seems to me that these times call for the opposite of
> fragmentation.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Danny
>
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> +64 21 456 379
>
>
> On 2/04/2011, at 12:19 AM, marc garrett wrote:
>
>> Hi Sarah,
>>
>> Very interesting - I'd love to know who & why particular individuals
>> suddenly unsubscribed.
>>
>> OK - Lets move on, as you mentioned it was an equal ratio either way
>> which is fine.
>>
>> I have signed up to the google list Pauline discussed & will share ideas
>> & possible futures there, and discuss other curating related contexts
>> here :-)
>>
>> wishing you well.
>>
>> marc
>>
>>
>>> actually we've had as many new subscribers as unsubscribers since
>>> yesterday and not all unsubscribers are international. so i don't wish
>>> to close down debate entirely here though absolutely agree with beryl
>>> let's think of positive actions we can share in. i think it is
>>> important to acknowledge what is going on, and it has implication for
>>> our international colleagues. i've very humbled by the long considered
>>> posts which have been posted here, and find them heartening and
>>> thoughtful.
>>> -sarah
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1 Apr 2011, at 11:00, Pauline van Mourik Broekman wrote:
>>>
>>>> Apologies, Beryl, and to all who found it over-specific. Because the
>>>> discussion *is* urgent for some of us, I have taken the liberty of
>>>> creating a Googlegroup (to whom I've just invited all on this list who
>>>> participated on this thread); I hope you don't mind me - as one last
>>>> message - telling others here, in case they'd like to participate in
>>>> what
>>>> I hope will be the positive discussion called for.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Pauline.
>>>>
>>>> PS I'm not a major Googlegroups user, but the info to see and
>>>> subscribe
>>>> should be here:
>>>> https://groups.google.com/group/acedigitaluncut/about?hl=en (I've made
>>>> it
>>>> public for access, but subscribers-only for posting)
>>>>
>>>> I hope
>>>>> Just a note from your gentle co-list-owner that we've had a rash of
>>>> international people unsubscribing from the list in the past 12 hours,
>>>> so
>>>>> let's try to keep this funding debate condensed, and as Clive Gillman
>>>> suggested, focused on positive actions and internationally useful
>>>> examples.
>>>>> yrs
>>>>> Beryl
>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Beryl Graham, Professor of New Media Art
>>>>> Research Student Manager, Art and Design
>>>>> MA Curating Course Leader
>>>>> Faculty of Arts, Design, and Media, University of Sunderland
>>>>> Ashburne House, Ryhope Road
>>>>> Sunderland
>>>>> SR2 7EE
>>>>> Tel: +44 191 515 2896 Fax: +44 191 515 2132
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>>>>> CRUMB web resource for new media art curators
>>>>> http://www.crumbweb.org
>>>>> CRUMB's new books:
>>>>> Rethinking Curating: Art After New Media from MIT Press
>>>>> http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?ttype=2&tid=12071 A
>>>> Brief History of Curating New Media Art, and A Brief History of
>>>> Working
>>>>> with New Media Art from The Green Box
>>>>> http://www.thegreenbox.net
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> Pauline van Mourik Broekman
>>>> Director
>>>> Mute Publishing
>>>> 46 Lexington Street
>>>> London
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Don't miss our...
Critical history of global networked culture:
PROUD TO BE FLESH: http://www.metamute.org/ptbf
Reader on political art in creative cities:
NO ROOM TO MOVE: http://www.metamute.org/nrtm
Whole nine yards:
MUTE ARCHIVE, 1994-2008: http://www.metamute.org/archive
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