quite often i use the following
"on further review with the employee there are no further changes to
health despite their perceptions with symptoms therefore following
careful assessment and history, occupational health has nothing
further to add or recommend to the employer"
usually that works
regards
steph
On 2 Mar 2011, at 13:55, Dawn wrote:
> David,
>
> Thank you for your kind and thoughtful reply. I have reflected more
> since my post and agree I will consider the 'google effect'... I
> believe I did act correctly and that I cannot manage someone else's
> erractic behaviour ( they want to see a report, then they don't,
> then they do) he could have accessed the report according to the
> information furnished to him when he consented to a report being
> compiled. he did speak with his Gp and knew what was written and it
> has in no way affected him. He is fit for role and no changes have
> been required.
>
> I have learnt to constantly ask for consent and be sure to explain
> fully why its needed and document this every time. I cannot go
> wrong this way and it will mean I can avoid questioning myself so
> much....I realise I am not the problem. Since then he has been seen
> and his concerns discussed and he has gone away for now... I have
> doubt he will be back...He is addicted to ill health symptoms!
>
> D
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> On Behalf Of David Wadsworth
> Sent: 02 March 2011 10:51
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] EMPLOYEE WHO HAS TASTED BLOOD...
>
> Dawn, sorry for the delayed reply. I have been on holiday.
> I read with great interest this thread and sympathise with you,
> with regards your frustration this man causes.
>
> Sandra’s concerns with regards accessibility of the thread to the
> general public made me sit up and think carefully, she has
> certainly reminded me of the power of google. (Thank you Sandra,
> really valid comments that we all must be reflecting on)
>
> My advice with this chap and future cases would be to reflect on
> how the case is affecting you personally. Is this guy really worth
> all the angst he is causing you. Not sure who wrote this, but I
> agree with others when they suggest just playing the game with him.
> You are not going to change these people even though we all want to
> fight for what is right. I have been accused of being inactive,
> unprofessional and cynical when I have previously suggested a “go
> with the flow” approach to similar problems posted here, but my
> health and its effect on my family is my most important goal in
> life, and so I try not to worry about things (his character/
> societal benefit) I cannot change, whilst remaining professional
> through out.
>
> Maybe we should all have CBT to help us deal with these cases!
>
> Good luck with him and be sure if you did crack this case, there is
> another one waiting around the corner!
> Best wishes
> David
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> On Behalf Of Roberta Hanlon
> Sent: 26 February 2011 22:04
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] EMPLOYEE WHO HAS TASTED BLOOD...
>
> I think he has close relatives in N. Ireland too. Must be a big
> family as I’m dealing with one at the minute who keeps saying ‘I’ve
> worked here longer than anyone else they owe me’.....lol...
>
> Roberta
>
>
> From: Dawn
> Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 10:56 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] EMPLOYEE WHO HAS TASTED BLOOD...
>
> Frank no not the same one... but we all get one occasionally!
> Sounds like his brother....! I spend a lot of time being as
> positive as I can to help find a common pathway to support
> employees to remain at work. Some work with you some don't. I just
> try my best. I have always said to employees and HR,H & S and
> managers that it is a team effort and we ALL work together to get
> the best result and that if we do it will work. If anyone of those
> factors don't put in then it will affect the result. I try to
> promote an honest and open dialogue and have found my workplace
> great. The only tim it has failed is whne people have had hideen
> agendas!
> Thanks for your comments they were very helpful. D
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> On Behalf Of Frank Oakes
> Sent: 26 February 2011 10:27
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] EMPLOYEE WHO HAS TASTED BLOOD...
>
> I agree Dawn. If a colleague can’t seek advice and blow off a
> little steam in the process now and then what is the point!
>
> If this guy is on Merseyside then I know him too J
>
> While we all get frustrated with these people taking the p**s
> (sorry mother!), don’t take it personally. I got to a point where
> I treated it as a game with the obvious scammers, I played within
> the rules of my profession but remember 9 times out of 10 we have
> seen this before, we know the scams so I made a point of being
> extra vigilant in recording everything. These people detract us
> from helping the people who really need us, they take up so much of
> our time.
>
> My guy claimed a rash that no one could ever see, was disabled from
> an accident with a previous employer and had restrictions placed
> upon his role and complained when I reminded his manager that why
> place him on restricted duties then allow him to do the duties he
> is restricted from on overtime. He wove a web of deceit but it all
> came out in the end. The companies solicitor were amazed how much
> I documented in ‘our chats’. They found the fact that he was able
> to help his brothers roofing company at the weekends, fit new roofs
> to houses (up ladders and on the roof) yet he claimed his ‘day job’
> was effecting his health. Game on.
>
> Frank
>
> From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> On Behalf Of Dawn
> Sent: 26 February 2011 09:56
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] EMPLOYEE WHO HAS TASTED BLOOD...
>
> Thanks Sharon,
>
> I have seen a lot worse things bantered on here and I thought this
> was an OH support forum. I have not said where I am in the UK or
> what industry or anything that can identify him. Can't believe this
> is some peoples way of supporting colleagues....Thanks to those who
> have given advice and for those who feel superior to the rest and
> make no mistakes lets hope it continues like that for you all but
> if you ever need support remember what you have written to me. In
> an OH role it is isolating enough without comments I have seen
> today. There is a saying 'walk a mile in my shoes before you judge'...
>
> D
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> On Behalf Of sharon naylor
> Sent: 26 February 2011 06:44
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] EMPLOYEE WHO HAS TASTED BLOOD...
>
> Might not have been the best idea in the world but this (IMHO) is
> an example of a colleague who has obviouisly been rattled by a
> difficult case, and wanted some support and guidance . Which one of
> us hasnt at at least one point in our career?
>
> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 23:10:22 +0000
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] EMPLOYEE WHO HAS TASTED BLOOD...
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
> Dawn, I am appalled by the language you have used to describe this
> case on a public forum, it is unprofessional and potentially goes
> against our code of conduct. Regards karen Sent from my BlackBerry®
> wireless device
> From: Dawn <[log in to unmask]>
> Sender: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 21:33:17 -0000
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> ReplyTo: Occupational Health mailing list <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] EMPLOYEE WHO HAS TASTED BLOOD...
>
> Hi All,
>
> Just to say I didn't send the manager the GP report just feedback
> the relevant information as the issues raised had been related to H
> & S potential exposure and potential risk to health ie breathing
> and skin. The GP had said nothing significant to pass to employee
> hence why I did not see him as he was deemed fit for role with no
> adjustments restrictions.
>
> The glass of wine has been had....
>
> It grates to have poeple who just play the odds to make money when
> there are some people who have genuine wk related issues where real
> negligence is caused and people like him are using the no win no
> fee bloodhounds to fund these claims.I came into OH as my Dad died
> of Mesothemioma and wanted to educate and improve peoples health
> but scumbags like this make me mad!
>
> I avoid contact with him as much as possible as he sees it as
> confirmation he has issues. He has but they are not wk related.....
>
>
> Thanks for your comments it helps. Yes I had consent verbal written
> more than once.... he had a chance to see report yet refused. He
> switches and changes his mind back and forth so much I can't keep
> up. The story keep changing.
>
> Ta all Have a good un...
>
> Dawn
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> On Behalf Of Sarah Witwicka
> Sent: 25 February 2011 19:39
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] EMPLOYEE WHO HAS TASTED BLOOD...
>
> Oh, blimey. Dawn, HUGE apologies if I've got the wrong end of the
> stick.
>
> Chilling with a glass of wine does sound like great advice :-)
>
> Happy weekend everyone.
>
> S
>
> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 19:06:49 +0000
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] EMPLOYEE WHO HAS TASTED BLOOD...
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
> oooo can you feel the tension rising in the initial mail? Is ar** a
> technical term I wonder? Bless you this did make me giggle, but in
> a sympathetic way.
>
> The way I read this is that you prepared a report based on your
> findings and the further reports you got from Prof C and the GP?
> You gave this to the manager. I cant imagine that you would have
> sent the manager the medical reports? Most OH get people back in to
> discuss the contents of any FME before they send out a further
> report (this is contained within faculty /BMA guidance) so
> technically I suppose he has a gripe, its also good practise to
> tell people what you are going to say, so the contents of your
> report arent a shock but if there was nothing to discuss then I
> cant see that its a hanging offence, maybe just an oversight (and I
> can understand why you perhaps would want to avoid meeting with him
> unless absolutely necessary)
>
> Let him get on with the grievance, I have had so many taken out
> against me I have lost count (and all of them from people who sound
> like they could be related to your guy). What does he want as a
> result of this process? I believe he has to say what outcome he
> wants, he probably hasnt thought of one yet. My advice, chill, have
> a glass of wine, on Monday make sure all documentation /notes are
> up to speed, talk to the RCN, look at the faculty guidelines, come
> home Monday night and chalk it up to experience. I dare say this
> wont be your last case along these lines..............
>
> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 18:45:20 +0000
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] EMPLOYEE WHO HAS TASTED BLOOD...
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
> Did you send the man's manager the GP report?
>
> The way it's done where I work is to get the client back in once
> the GP report has been received. The report is then reviewed with
> the client and a follow-up report provided to the manager. The GP
> (or specialist) report doesn't get passed on to the manager.
>
> I would imagine if the GP report has gone to the manager,
> theoretically, the report could then be passed to the company's
> insurer who may in turn be looking at reviewing potential payouts
> to the man...
>
> S
>
> > Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 18:27:35 +0000
> > From: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: [OCC-HEALTH] EMPLOYEE WHO HAS TASTED BLOOD...
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> >
> > Dear All,
> >
> > Wanted to see what you make of this.
> >
> > Man works for co for 5 years has been poor in attendence with
> various issues none which prove ongoing or serious though he is a
> drama queen and loves to have a potential illness.
> > Since approx 20 months ago and before I came he started firstly
> saying he had a wk related rash, then it came and went. put his
> hand in a small puddle of diluted detergent 50:1 ratio that he
> claimed caused burns ( he walked past 3 basins he could rinse it in
> to show his manager before he rinsed it) it was neither burns only
> red and no lasting damage but no photos taken. then he decided to
> up the anti to say he smelt something in his work area, felt dizzy
> and stumbled outside and threw himself on his chest saying he
> couldn't breath. An overzealous first aider initiated a crisis and
> the whole caboodle of fire,ambulance and police turned up!. He went
> to hospital as the ambulance was there and was discharged home less
> than 2 hours later as fit.
> > I got Paul Cullinan to see him who thought as I do he's 'strange
> man' and he has been cleared as fit and well. I wrote as good
> measure to ask his GP if he had any ongoing health issues that
> might affect him at work. Answer was no but he did say that he had
> had wk related dermatitis in the past which he didn't disclose to us.
> > He put in two claims against co and they have paid £2000 out for
> the hand so far. He loves it and is boasting. I would fully support
> him but he is a chancer and the co is really a good one but has no
> control over the payout from insurer. He is now waiting for his
> next claim.
> > He put in a letter re his manager at Xmas saying he felt
> victimised and today he has sent a letter saying he weants to raise
> a greivance against me as I had not gone through the GP letter with
> him before I sent out the report to his manager who then went
> through it with him.
> > The report from me basically is he is fit and no adjustments
> restrictions as there was nothing from Paul C or GP. Had their been
> concerns I would have expalined this to him.
> > He signed my referral that states I would send a report and the
> consent form which says he has the chance to see the GP report. The
> GP report said he was offered a copy and to see it in the letter
> and declined them.
> > Can't see how I can advise his manager on his H & S at wok
> without telling her and she was discussing the results with him so
> it was hardly a secret and nothing came of it anyway.
> >
> > Have I missed somthing. I always state everytime I see anyone
> that I need their consent and ask for it before I proceed. In most
> cases they even know the report before its sent as I do it with
> them there so its all in the open. Its on the notes and they signed
> the referral and consent.....what more can you do. If theres
> nothing to change would you have seen him???
> >
> > Just he's such a ar** wondered what you think.....
> > Dawn
>
>
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