Hello Mark,
I live on the other side of the pond and will not be able to attend, but
found http://crisis-forum.org.uk/events/... and will review the
resources for workshops 1 to 4.
Workshops 5, 6, and 7 will be of great interest to me ... please note
that workshop 7 cannot possibly be scheduled for Autumn 2010 ... is it
scheduled for Autumn 2011?
Thanks!
Luis
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> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 08:22:48 +0000
> From: Mark Levene<[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Economic Crisis<----> Ecological Crisis (and a workshop to discuss further)
>
> dear all,
>
>
> re: this debate and Brian's request for a more focused one: just the
> gentlest of reminders that Crisis Forum has been exploring exactly these
> potential dichotomies now through a series of workshops entitled 'Climate
> Change and Violence' for the last three years - the fundamental premise
> being that it will not be climate change per se which has the greatest
> potentiality to destroy s us but the nature of our ongoing response....if
> you like the consequences of consequences.
>
>
> Rather than reinventing the wheel through having another debate (though
> please feel free to do so if you Brian or whoever wish to organise!) the
> next workshop is imminent on Friday 18 March at York St John university
>
> I know a few of you are coming but here's as good an opportunity as any
> (especially given this workshop's very open and inclusive format) for a
> wider number of good folk on this list to put their very 'gentlest' of oars
> in.....
>
> Workshop 5: Human Consequences: Human Welfare
> http://www.crisis-forum.org.uk/events/workshop5.php
>
> please let Marianne<[log in to unmask]> know if you're coming by
> next Friday 11 March
>
> cheers,
>
> mark
>
>
>
>
> on 1/3/11 6:07 am, Luis Gutierrez at [log in to unmask] wrote:
>
>> Hello Brian and all,
>>
>> I second the motion ... even though ... rather than an "either/or"
>> bifurcation between the two camps, I would prefer to think in terms of
>> "both/and" ... I agree that radical solutions will be required that can
>> only be articulated holistically, but the "gentle camp" can buy time for
>> such overarching solution to be found ... if it is ever found, for the
>> kind of crisis we are discussing transcends "problems" for which
>> "solutions" can be found. Even if the most urgent symptom (such as
>> climate change) could be addressed in a timely manner, it is impossible
>> to predict the repercussions that "resolving" one dimension of the
>> crisis will have on all the other dimensions ... it boggles the mind.
>>
>> But assuming that your motion carries ... what would be the next step?
>>
>> Luis
>>
>> Luis T. GutiƩrrez, PhD, PE
>> The Pelican Web of Solidarity and Sustainability
>> Mother Pelican: A Journal of Sustainable Human Development
>> http://pelicanweb.org
>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Discussion list for the Crisis Forum
>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>>>> On Behalf Of Brian Orr
>>>> Sent: 28 February 2011 11:57
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: Economic Crisis<----> Ecological Crisis
>>>>
>>>> John, Luis,
>>>>
>>>> CRISIS-FORUM has spawned two camps under the economy/ecology
>>>> dichotomy. There are
>>>> those who insist that we can find our way out of the dichotomy by
>>>> pursuing the goal of
>>>> a 'steady-state economy', with the emphasis on ditching consumerism,
>>>> "need not greed"
>>>> and our addiction to fossil fuels.
>>>>
>>>> The other school contend that we've left things far too late and the
>>>> state of nearly everything
>>>> you can think of having global importance - the environment, the
>>>> world's ecological systems,
>>>> energy supplies, world finances, population, social tensions, tensions
>>>> between nations - and
>>>> global warming - all individually look capable of badly damaging
>>>> 'civilisation, or bringing it to
>>>> it's knees. And this latter school proffers the solution of
>>>> 'cataclysmic solutions', as illustrated by
>>>> the current upheavals in the Arab world - or, in a different sphere -
>>>> 'geoengineering' to provide
>>>> breathing space for us to abandon our current insane modus vivendi.
>>>>
>>>> As an aside, it might be thought that the 'gentle camp' and the
>>>> 'geoengineers' might rapidly converge
>>>> after the temporary cure has been applied. I would contend that this
>>>> is not the case in that the 'geoengineers'
>>>> would not accept that a gentle docking between business-as-usual and
>>>> the 'steady-state economy would be
>>>> anything like what is needed. In a nut-shell, only the stark
>>>> divergence between where we are and where we
>>>> ought to be can justify 'tampering with the earth's climate', and that
>>>> stark divergence will still remain even after
>>>> the geoengineering 'sticking plaster' has been applied.
>>>>
>>>> As Professor Bill McGuire says "Whilst the 2007 IPPCC report paints a
>>>> pretty bleak picture of the future, the
>>>> scariest thing about it is that it may not be scary enough."
>>>>
>>>> A debate would seem vitally necessary. I offer the motion:-
>>>>
>>>> "The underlying rationale pursued by the 'gentle camp' in CRISIS-FORUM
>>>> to address the world economy/ecology
>>>> dichotomy constitutes a totally inadequate basis for addressing the
>>>> multiple, interacting, crises manifest in that dichotomy,
>>>> with the global warming/Arctic ice-melt crisis the most critically
>>>> urgent of the multiple crises."
>>>>
>>>> Brian Orr
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> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 11:38:08 +0000
> From: Crisis Forum<[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Human Consequences: Human Welfare, Workshop, York, 18 March 2011
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> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 14:43:03 -0000
> From: Alastair McIntosh<[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Royal Society of Edinburgh Facing up to Climate Change Report - published today
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> http://www.royalsoced.org.uk/enquiries/climate_change/index.htm
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