Just a question from afar ...
There had to be some sort of a review process of the work at the time. How
are - or are - the shortcomings of that process being discussed? Given that
his political career seems to have been already underway, did politics seep
into academics at that point? Or, to put it in other words, is the student
the only responsible party when such events occur?
Andrew
On 2/25/11 11:21 AM, "Alan Rogerson" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> The title of his thesis was: "Constitution and Constitutional Treaty:
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> Constitutional Developments in the US and EU". which was in the faculty
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> of "law" not in politics.
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> The BBC reported that: The University of Bayreuth decided that Mr
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> Guttenberg had "violated scientific duties to a considerable extent".
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> which I assume was a translation from German. The word "scientific" has
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> a different connotation in some European countries from that in the UK,
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> and here the sense seems to be that he failed in a "rigorous" duty with
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> regard to selection and organisation of evidence, data, etc, which we
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> hope is indeed characteristic of science (and by implication here also
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> of law).
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> I too hope that all scientists, and indeed all academics, will rally to
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> condemn plagiarism of this gross extent, which at the very least raises
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> serious doubts about the honesty, reliability and ethical standards (or
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> lack of them) of this Minister. Equally disturbing is the fact that he
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> at first called the accusations "absurd" and ..."while vehemently
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> rejecting the accusations of plagiarism, the minister told reporters he
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> was happy to check to see whether there had been any omissions or errors
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> in the 1,200 footnotes."
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> but then...
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> "Analysis [later] revealed that more than half of his thesis had long
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> sections lifted word-for-word from the work of others."
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> The BBC also noted:" Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg, an aristocrat who lives
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> in a Bavarian castle, admitted breaching standards but denied
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> deliberately cheating."
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> The word "cheating" seems to have taken on an incredibly flexible
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> meaning here!! And is there such a thing as... not deliberately cheating
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> (accidentally cheating?)!!
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> All quotes above are from the BBC reports.
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> Alan Rogerson
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>> This particular case is not about science though. His thesis was in
>> politics. I accept there is a broader issue for academia but I suspect the
>> science world has not taken so much notice because they dont see it as in
>> their patch.
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>>
>
>> Frank Norman
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>>
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>> At 15:38 25/02/2011, Stephan Matthiesen wrote:
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>>> Hi,
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>>>
>
>>> Although highly relevant for public perception of science, the Guttenberg
>>> scandal seems to be mostly ignored in the english-speaking world... it has
>>> been brewing for a few weeks, but now it seems about to erupt into an open
>>> fight between the scientific community and the government.
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>>>
>
>>> In the last few days there have been press releaseses by all major funding
>>> and research organisations as well as editorials in science magazines,
>>> demanding that the government takes scientific integrity seriously and that
>>> scientific plagiarism is not just a minor offence, but should have serious
>>> consequences - even if the perpetrator is a slick and popular politician.
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>>>
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>>> The only English comment I can find is here:
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>>> "it's about the reputation of the German academic system"
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>>> http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,14871392,00.html
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>>>
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>>> Unfortunately I can't other a good English summaries - perhaps some British
>>> journalist would like to take that up?
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>>>
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>>> Here are misc. statements in German from the scientific community:
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>>>
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>>> German Research Foundation: "Science relies on truthfulness, integrity and
>>> trust"
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>>> http://www.dfg.de/dfg_profil/reden_stellungnahmen/2011/110225_stellungnahme_
>>> plagiate_fehlverhalten/index.html
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>>>
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>>> German Association of University Teachers (DHV):
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>>> "DHV is appalled that plagiarism is not taken seriously"
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>>> http://www.hochschulverband.de/cms1/pressemitteilung+M55f181284f8.html
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>>>
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>>> Carsten Könneker, spektrumdirekt:
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>>> "This is not a good advert for politics. But the biggest damage is done to
>>> science."
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>>> http://www.wissenschaft-online.de/artikel/1064890&_z=859070
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>>>
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>>> Hope people find this interesting.
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>>>
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>>> Cheers
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>>> Stephan
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>>>
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>>> --
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>>> Stephan Matthiesen
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>>> http://www.stephan-matthiesen.de
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>>> Neu auf www.science-texts.de: Da ist der Wurm drin - Februarmuster
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