Yes, Jeremy said that nouns are used as prefixes rather than suffixes. I
responded by saying that those nouns are being used adjectivally. I'm
going to duck the question as to whether all affixes are adjectival,
except to say that suffixes are different *in some way*.
Why should it be, say, Church Langford (or Steeple Langford) but
Langford All Saints or Langford Beauchamp? *Langford Church is wrong -
but why? I don't know the reason, but it isn't because Church is a noun!
John Briggs
On 04/02/2011 21:01, Jeremy Harte wrote:
> Dear John, Dear Carole,
>
> I think we're at cross-purposes here. My original line of thought had
> been that 'ash' belongs to a class of nouns, unlike 'burnt' which
> belongs to a class of adjectives, and that it was unusual to find nouns
> (in that sense) as suffixes. John, I think, is focussing on a broader
> class of adjectival words which consists not just of adjectives in the
> more limited sense but also nouns used attributively. In that case,
> pretty much any affix would be adjectival. Yes?
>
> Jeremy Harte
>
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> Subject: Re: Wenham Aysse (Sf)
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> Dear John,
>
> I don't quite follow you here. Chapel, Cherry, Church and Steeple are
> all nouns, not adjectives -- I've just checked the OED in case I was
> missing something!
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Carole
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>
> Those are mostly adjectival. Chapel, Cherry, Church certainly are (you
> could also add Steeple.) Coleorton is spelled thus by Mills - so Cole
> and Clay are perhaps unusual in being detached specifiers.
>
> Castle Rising is an oddity - I'm not aware of any other Rising - but
> Castle is presumably still being used adjectivally. Assuming that anyone
> really needed to know that Rising Castle was at Castle Rising...
>
> Chipping Camden is another oddity, but exactly analogous to Market
> Harborough. Again, it must be being used adjectivally - and this time it
> *is* important that everyone knew where the market was.
>
> I would suggest that Wenham Aysse is manorial.
>
> John Briggs
>
> On 04/02/2011 09:29, Jeremy Harte wrote:
>> Dear John,
>>
>> Well, there's Castle Rising, Chapel Chorlton, Cherry Willingham,
>> Chipping Camden, Church Langford, Clay Coton, Cole Orton... and so on.
>> That's the sort of construction I was thinking of.
>>
>> Jeremy Harte
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> Behalf Of John Briggs
>> Sent: 01 February 2011 19:11
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>> Subject: Re: Wenham Aysse (Sf)
>>
>> Is it common for English-language nouns to be used as affixes anyway?
>> Normally English prefixes are adjectives (East, West, Great, Little)
>> or possessives (King's, Bishop's). Latin adjectives and possessives
>> are suffixes (Magna, Parva, Regis, Episcopi). Other suffixes are
>> manorial or parish church dedications.
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