Interestingly, Caroline, Mandy Smith is now a healthy sized, non tanned, non
blonde Catholic who goes to schools and youth groups to preach about the
psychological and physical perils of underaged sex, it is her calling in
life and her form of salvation after years of ill health and aversion to
public life As a long term tabloid reader who finds them facinating mirrors
of our cultures and times I thought her mother essentially pimped her, and
should have been prosecuted; and noted she got a life threatenting wasting
disease (not anorexia) around the time she married Wyman, which seemed as a
ceremony more an attempt to retrospectively legalise the illegal treatment
of this child than any love match. I also noted that the Rolling Stones, who
have maintained the same lines ups for years and are hardly an advert for
sexual reticence dumped Wyman as soon as they could.
best tabloid regards
Melissa
----- Original Message -----
From: "Caroline Tully" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Book of the Law in News 4 wrong reason
> And can I just ask why Rolling Stone, Bill Wyman, never got in any trouble
> at all for having a sexual relationship when he was in his late 40s or
> early
> 50s with Mandy Smith when she was 13? Was it because her mother gave her
> permission (which she did, and she -the mother- even went out with Wyman'
> son). Yes, Wyman eventually married Smith when she was 19 and now she's a
> kind of anorexic blonde tanned creature doing who knows what... but is it
> OK
> for prominent, famous people to do that and not for dirty, amoral
> occultists? (Although not for Roman Polanski it seems, but then he's
> verging
> on being "an occultist" in the public's eye anyway..)
>
> Getting rather tabloid here...
>
> ~Caroline.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Society for The Academic Study of Magic
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Caroline Tully
> Sent: Sunday, 6 February 2011 9:57 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: [Norton AntiSpam]Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Book of the Law in
> News
> 4 wrong reason
>
> Hi Mogg,
>
>>>The core issue for me is the criminality & child abuse,<<
>
> Dare I call it "sex with those of an inappropriate age"? as they weren't
> exactly children were they? Weren't they 15 and 16? I always think of
> people
> 12 and under as "children" - however that doesn't mean that legal terms
> will
> agree with me (in Australia you're a "youth" until 25, but the word
> "youth"
> seems much younger than that).
>
> I have just noticed that over the years some occultists have gotten in
> awful
> trouble and been called "child molesters" for having sex with what are
> essentially teenagers. Yes, some teenagers are more mature than others.
> I'd
> imagine that I'd have found it very weird to have had sex with someone who
> was even over 20 when I was a teenager, but some don't.
>
> Yes, it does seem manipulative for a much older person to have sex with a
> teenager - some/manytimes. I've already been lectured on another list in
> regards to Gavin and Yvonne Frost and the "let adult members of the coven
> break the virgins in" philosophy. Someone on another list, in regards to
> the
> Frosts, told me that in the 60s it was considered ideal for "older wiser"
> adults to give virgins their first taste of sex.
>
> So... all I'm saying is that it might be a bit more complicated in regards
> to the teenagers in this case, but then again it might not.
>
> ~Caroline.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Society for The Academic Study of Magic
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of mandrake
> Sent: Sunday, 6 February 2011 9:42 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Book of the Law in News 4 wrong reason
>
> Caroline
>
> The core issue for me is the criminality & child abuse,
> the other contextual stuff we maybe all tend to think of as less
> important,
> perhaps underestimating the role external things play in influencing
> behaviour?
>
> There may well be some quite antisocial beliefs in Liber Al, Liber Oz
> and other Thelemic writing -
> I suspect most religious/inspired texts have them - so for example the
> Bhagavad Gita appears to advocate
> total war but it was the non violent Gandhi's favourite text.
> Difference is that Bhagavad Gita is sanctified by time -
> so the glosses and interpretations now are as well known as the literal
> text.
> Even so the moral messages of Liber Al ought to make sense to modern
> society -
> and maybe they don't. If anything Thelemites often talk of being amoral -
> or of the triumph of the will?
> We are maybe stuck with a scripture that just isn't subtle enough for
> the modern world?
>
> "Love and do what you will"
>
> Mogg Morgan
>
>
>
> On 05/02/2011 22:42, Caroline Tully wrote:
>> Although it could all be true(ish). It's not the first time nutters have
>> gone even nuttier with the help of a religious text.
>>
>> And that brings up the question, to me anyway: How do we interpret The
> Book
>> of the Law? It's tricksy and poetic, people think they know what it
>> means,
>> but do they? Does it mean anything at all?
>>
>> ~Caroline.
>>
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