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What Graham isn't saying is that he was in the television programme himself, and very good he was, too.
I've always assumed this kind of downgrading in Wales was the result of the Norman invasion - do you get the same feeling with your Anglo-Saxon churches?
Maddy
Dr Madeleine Gray
Reader in History
School of Education/Ysgol Addysg
University of Wales, Newport/Prifysgol Cymru, Casnewydd
Caerleon Campus/Campws Caerllion,
Newport/Casnewydd NP18 3QT Tel: +44 (0)1633.432675
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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
Sometimes even the church authorities were unsure if a church was 'ecclesia' or 'capella'. I know of an example in Leicestershire (mentioned in the recent Michael Wood TV series, 'Story of England') which, though a dependent chapelry of a neighbouring parish church through the late middle ages and into modern times, turns out to have been earlier the church to which district Pentecostal processions were made from communities several miles away. Even as a dependent chapel it had a dependent chapel of its own, and other evidence points strongly to its having been a pre-Conquest minster.
Best wishes
Graham
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Later episcopal visitations sometimes asked about chapels which had gone out of use.
The crucial distinction is supposed to be between chapels of ease (used for Mass and presumably other services as well but without rights of baptism, marriage and burial) and parochial chapelries (which did have such rights) - but as I'm aware of several medieval chapelries in south Wales which were described as chapels of ease but have evidence of burials I wonder whether that's really a post-medieval distinction.
Maddy
Dr Madeleine Gray
Reader in History
School of Education/Ysgol Addysg
University of Wales, Newport/Prifysgol Cymru, Casnewydd
Caerleon Campus/Campws Caerllion,
Newport/Casnewydd NP18 3QT Tel: +44 (0)1633.432675
'Sometimes it's better to light a flamethrower than curse the darkness' (Terry Pratchett, Men at Arms)
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Ellie, you should certainly look at registers of the bishops of Hereford.
The Canterbury and York Society has published the following
Registrum Ade de Orleton, episcopi Herefordensis, 1317-27 ed. Bannister
(1908). (vol 5)
Registrum Ricardi de Swinfield, episcopi Herefordensis, 1283-1317 ed. Capes
(1909). (vol 6)
Registrum Johannes de Trillek, episcopi Herefordensis, 1344-1361 ed. Parry
(1912). (vol 8)
Registrum Thome de Charlton, episcopi Herefordensis, 1327-1344 ed. Capes
(1913). (vol 9)
Registrum Ludowici de Charltone, episcopi Herefordiensis, 1361-1370 ed.
Parry (CYS, 14; Cantilupe Society publications). (1914). (vol 14)
Registrum Willelmi de Courtenay, episcopi Herefordensis, 1370-1375 ed. Capes
(1914). (vol 15)
Registrum Johannis Gilbert, episcopi Herefordensis, 1375-1389 ed. Parry
(CYS, 18; Cantilupe Society publications). (1915). (vol 18)
Registrum Johannis Trefnant, episcopi Herefordensis, 1389-1404 ed. Capes
(1916). (vol 20)
Registrum Roberti Mascall, episcopi Herefordensis, 1404-1416; introduction
noted by C. Johnston transcr. Parry (CYS, 21; Cantilupe Society
publications). (1917). (vol 21)
Registrum Edmundi Lacy, episcopi Herefordensis, 1417-1420 transcr. Parry &
Capes; Registrum Thome Poltone, episcopi Herefordensis, 1420-1422; 1417-1420
transcr. J.H. Parry, ed. A.T. Bannister; 1420-1422 transcr. W.W. Capes (CYS,
22; Cantilupe Society publications). (1918). (vol 22)
Registrum Thome Spofford, episcopi Herefordensis, 1422-1448 ed. Bannister
(1919). (vol 23)
Registrum Ricardi Beauchamp, episcopi Herefordensis, 1449-1450; registrum
Reginaldi Boulers, episcopi Herefordensis 1441 [1450]-1453; registrum
Johannis Stanbury, episcopi Herefordensis, 1453-1474 ; ed. Bannister;
register of John Stanbury transcr. J.H. Parry (CYS, 25; Cantilupe Society
publications). (1919). (vol 25)
Registrum Thome Myllyng, episcopi Herefordensis, 1474-1492 ed. Bannister
(1920). (vol 26)
Registrum Ricardi Mayew, episcopi Herefordensis, 1504-16 ed. Bannister
(1921).(vol 27)
Registrum Caroli Bothe, episcopi Herefordensis, 1516-1535 ed. Bannister
(1921). (vol 28)
You should also look at the Calendars of Papal Letters and also perhaps the
Calendars of Chancery Rolls (Patent, Close, Fine) for odd references.
For chapels of ease in general:
As so often, I suggest you look at A Hamilton Thompson, The English Clergy
in the later Middle Ages (Oxford, 1947), pp 123-8 for his piece on parochial
chapels as a starting point.
See also RN Swanson, Church and Society in Late Medieval England (Oxford,
1989)
You might therefore find it useful to look at the online database of
taxation records help in The National Archives class E 179
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/e179
There are 121 hits for a search on the place of Llangarron 'chapel'
including a mention of the Llangarron chaplain in the 1380 clerical poll
tax; and Llangarron chaplains in a 1406 tax on unbeneficed clergy. However,
I cannot see anything for Llangrove/Longrove.
You should also look at the 19th century editions of the Taxatio of
Nicholas IV and the Valor Ecclesiasticus - although I note that the Taxatio
database has nothing for Longrove/Llangrove
I hope this is of some help.
Regards,
Rosemary Hayes
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