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Re: warning:shears involved

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John Ashburner <[log in to unmask]>

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John Ashburner <[log in to unmask]>

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Wed, 3 Nov 2010 13:35:31 +0000

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These misregistrations are all fairly small, so I don't envisage any
real problems.

Best regards,
-John

On 3 November 2010 12:57, Paloyelis, Yannis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Dear John,
> Thank you very much for your response and your time. The reason the
> discrepancies appeared in the translations was that I was silly! I compared
> the N.mat and N.mat0 after I had manually changed the origin of the axes so
> that it fell on the AC!
> Doing it properly this time, there were no differences in the translations,
> but very small differences in the other columns. I used the script you
> posted (attached below embedded in a loop), and for a group of 30-something
> scans the misregistrations (in mm) for the given voxel (100, 200, 50) for
> each scan are presented below. Given these misregistrations, would you think
> that I should avoid using DARTEL with the DICOM-converted scans (and use
> instead UNC-converted scans in Analyze format that present no
> misregistrations - I try to avoid this because there is no orientation
> information in the files), or would you think that the misregistrations
> below are so small that it wouldn't probably make a difference? (Or am I
> doing something wrong here?)
> Thanks a million for your help!
> Kind regards,
> yannis
> Misregistrations:
> EDU>> M'
> ans =
>     0.0013
>     0.1005
>     0.0011
>     0.0611
>     0.0005
>     0.0016
>     0.0010
>     0.0015
>     0.0975
>     0.0014
>     0.0031
>     0.0000
>     0.0005
>     0.0023
>     0.0817
>     0.0014
>     0.0022
>     0.0473
>     0.0333
>     0.0008
>     0.0011
>     0.0003
>     0.0028
>     0.0664
>     0.0011
>     0.0003
>     0.0020
>     0.0021
>     0.0014
>     0.0016
>
>
> +++++SCRIPT++++++++
> [ConvertedFiles,dirs] = cfg_getfile('FPList', [root],'^D.*\.nii$');
>
> i=100; j=200; k=50; %voxel
>
> scan=1
> for f=1:length(ConvertedFiles)
>     display (char(ConvertedFiles(f)))
>     N=nifti(char(ConvertedFiles(f)));
>     N.mat
>     N.mat0
>
>
>
>     D=N.mat-N.mat0;
>     M(scan)=sqrt(sum((D(1:3,1:4)*[i j k 1]').^2))
>
>     scan=scan+1
>
> end
>
>
>
>
> On 2 Nov 2010, at 08:41, John Ashburner wrote:
>
> If these are the mat and mat0 fields, then the only difference I see
> is in the translations (2mm in x, 44mm in y and 1mm in z).  If there
> is some form of shearing in the data, I'd expect the rotation and
> zooming part to differ.  I'm not sure why the translations differ, but
> don't think this should be a problem for Dartel.
>
> Best regards,
> -John
>
> On 1 November 2010 16:28, Yannis Paloyelis <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> Dear John,
>
> I am coming back to this issue as I am not sure I understand how to deal
> with it. I get this warning when displaying with "Display"  DICOM-converted
> images (T1-weighted volumes, using the SPM tool -scanner was a General
> Electric SIGNA HDx 3.0T). Comparing the V.mat and V.mat0 for some images
> reveals no difference up to the 4th decimal, whereas for others there is a
> big difference at values in the 4th column (see below for example). My aim
> is to do VBM using DARTEL. I am not sure I understood how to deal with this
> - should I try some other utility to convert the DICOM files (are there any
> you would recommend?). Is it right that I cannot use DARTEL for VBM while
> N.mat and N.mat0 differ like this?
>
>
> Thanks very much for help in advance.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> yannis
>
> ans =
>
>   -1.0906    0.0005    0.0846  134.5624
>
>   -0.0841   -0.0062   -1.0967  100.3869
>
>         0    1.0938   -0.0063 -153.4530
>
>         0         0         0    1.0000
>
>
> ans =
>
>   -1.0906    0.0005    0.0846  132.5624
>
>   -0.0841   -0.0062   -1.0967  144.3869
>
>   -0.0000    1.0938   -0.0063 -154.4530
>
>         0         0         0    1.0000
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------
> Yannis Paloyelis, BSc (Hons) MSc  MSc
> PhD Student
> Office C3.18 (P080)
> MRC Social Genetic and
> Developmental Psychiatry Centre
> Institute of Psychiatry,
> King's College London
> De Crespigny Park
> SE5 8AF London
> Tel. +44-20-7848-5403
> Fax +44-20-7848-0866
>

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