Hello everyone,
It's been an industrious task and great to hear everyone's views. I think this all sounds good and put my name behind us as the list serve.
Emma
Emma Scott-Smith
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From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Flora Cornish [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 30 November 2010 13:46
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Subject: Re: Rough draft of brief statement on behalf of CommPsy Section and/or CommPsy list?
Like everyone else, I send many thanks to Gavi and David for the statement and list of people to send it to. I fully support this too, and the idea that it should come from 'the List ' as a collective. I'm happy to add my name individually too if that is deemed to be helpful.
Flora Cornish
(Glasgow Caledonian University)
--- On Tue, 30/11/10, Jobson Laura Dr (MED) <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> From: Jobson Laura Dr (MED) <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] Rough draft of brief statement on behalf of CommPsy Section and/or CommPsy list?
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Tuesday, 30 November, 2010, 12:52
> Again thanks everyone for this and I
> support this too.
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List
> >[mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> On Behalf Of Penny Priest
> >Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 10:20 AM
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: Rough draft of brief statement on behalf
> of CommPsy Section
> >and/or CommPsy list?
> >
> >Yes, I agree too. And thanks again to everyone who has
> pulled this
> >together.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Can we maybe try to set a precedent here, please? If
> no-one objects to
> >> the statement within, say, three days, then we can
> say it comes from
> >the
> >> list as a whole?
> >> J.
> >>
> >> On 29/11/2010 23:32, Gavriel Ansara wrote:
> >>> David, I am delighted to have logged on to
> make editorial changes,
> >only
> >>> to find that you have already made them.
> >>> I support David's edited version of the
> collective statement and
> >believe
> >>> it should be sent from the list as a whole, if
> people are amenable.
> >>> I should clarify my awareness that APA is
> regressive and that my
> >intent
> >>> was not to position them inaccurately as
> progressive, but to use a
> >>> document from an influential, mainstream
> psychological organisation
> >to
> >>> frame our statement as not 'fringe', in case
> doing so makes our
> >message
> >>> more accessible to psychological
> professionals. Since I am unable to
> >>> find an equivalent position statement from
> within UK psy professions,
> >>> perhaps our statement will (in part) serve
> that purpose.
> >>> 'I also would prefer to try to avoid focusing
> on an individual such
> >as
> >>> Zucker and focus more on the oppressive
> discourses and practices
> >which
> >>> giving platforms for his work promotes'
> >>> Absolutely agreed. I'm very happy with the
> statement after David's
> >>> incorporation of editorial changes. Are list
> members in favour of
> >going
> >>> ahead with this statement?
> >>> Gavi
> >>> On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Fryer, David
> <[log in to unmask]
> >>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Dear Gavi and all,
> >>>
> >>> Thank you again for
> all your wonderful work.
> >>>
> >>> I am a member of the
> interim committee of the CP Section.. Jacqui
> >>> has been consulting
> members. I wont divulge what is being
> >suggested
> >>> and I expect that
> Jacqui A, as Chair of the interim committee,
> >will
> >>> update us re CP
> Section actions but for now I think we can assume
> >>> the Section interim
> committee will write its own letter rather
> >than
> >>> one on behalf of the
> Committee and List.
> >>>
> >>> (Some) list members
> may wish for a response by ’the list.’ I
> >>> don't
> >>> think we technically
> have a resolution but we could issue a
> >>> statement of concern?
> However the List has no satisfactory
> >mechanism
> >>> for generating
> collective statements. One alternative is that a
> >>> letter is written and
> people who want to do so sign up (as Gavi
> >has
> >>> done and people are
> doing). However speaking out on these matters
> >>> can expose signatories
> to unwelcome attention and attacks. I
> >think
> >>> we should not be
> collectively silenced by this but I do think we
> >>> should not
> underestimate the costs on individuals of speaking
> >out.
> >>> It is safer for those
> of us with more privileges (like me) to
> >speak
> >>> out than it is for
> those with fewer. An alternative to a letter
> >>> signed by people
> openly would be a letter sent by the List
> >>> moderators (Grant and
> m/ or me) on behalf of ‘X’ list
> >members.
> >>>
> >>> Regarding invoking the
> American Psychological Association
> >Resolution
> >>> on Transgender, Gender
> Identity, and Gender Expression
> >>> Non-
> >Discrimination<http://www.apa.org/about/governance/council/policy/chapte
> >r-12b.aspx#transgender>
> >>> (APA, 2008): I think
> that this would work better in a
> >transatlantic
> >>> context than for us
> now here. For members of a BPS Section
> >>> addressing members of
> a BPS Division or members of the BPS itself
> >>> via the Psychologist
> by reference to an APA resolution would, I
> >>> think, read oddly and
> be less than desirable. Besides the APA is
> >so
> >>> problematic in
> relation to so many issues (e.g. torture) that to
> >>> position the APA as
> progressive seems problematic to me. Moreover
> >I
> >>> don’t think we
> need to invoke the authority of the APA to
> >oppose
> >>> discrimination and
> support legal and social recognition in
> >relation
> >>> to diversity. The
> first part and bullet points could be omitted
> >and
> >>> the next section
> rewritten along those lines?
> >>>
> >>> I also would prefer to
> try to avoid focusing on an individual
> >such
> >>> as Zucker and focus
> more on the oppressive discourses and
> >practices
> >>> which giving platforms
> for his work promotes
> >>>
> >>> A version of Gavi's
> message edited and amended in line with the
> >>> above suggestions and
> with some changes suggested by others
> >posting
> >>> on the list could look
> like what follows. But this is very rough
> >and
> >>> just at this stage
> suggestive as an alternative:
> >>>
> >>> Statement of concern
> regarding Dr Kenneth Zucker’s invited
> >keynote
> >>> lecture at the British
> Psychological Society Division of Clinical
> >>> Psychology Conference
> 2010
> >>> The work of Dr Kenneth
> Zucker, which functions to undermine
> >support
> >>> for children’s
> own gender and gender-associated expression, is
> >>> discriminatory against
> people whose own gender differs from their
> >>> gender assignment
> (e.g., those often labelled ‘trans’ or
> >>> ‘gender
> >>> variant’) and
> inhibits the legal and social recognition of
> >>> transgender
> individuals consistent with their gender identity and
> >>> expression. promotion
> of discourses which position children who
> >>> self-identify as boys
> as ‘girls with gender identity
> >disorder’
> >>> or
> >>> self-identified girls
> as ‘boys with GID’, we believe,
> >violates
> >>> professional ethics
> that mandate psychological professionals to
> >>> avoid causing harm.
> >>>
> >>> In addition to
> problematic discriminatory discourse, problematic
> >>> practices, including
> behavioural reorientation work with
> >children,
> >>> violates international
> human rights policies, including the
> >United
> >>> Nations Convention on
> the Rights of the Child (UNCRC) by
> >interfering
> >>> with children’s
> freedom of play and expression, and by failing
> >to
> >>> provide children the
> opportunity to be heard and their views to
> >be
> >>> given due weight, in
> relation to their experiences of their own
> >>> gender and
> gender-associated expression. Deterring children from
> >>> wearing clothes
> associated with any gender, from playing with
> >>> friends of any gender,
> or from engaging in play stereotypically
> >>> associated with any
> gender is oppressive.
> >>>
> >>> Members of the UK
> Community Psychology discussion list are
> >concerned
> >>> that the problematic
> discourses and practices, promoted by Dr
> >>> Zucker's work,
> continue to receive support from within British
> >>> psychology and that
> they are proactively promoted through Dr
> >Zucker
> >>> being afforded
> leadership positions on the American Psychological
> >>> Association Task Force
> on Gender Identity, Gender Variance, and
> >>> Intersex Conditions,
> the American Psychiatric Association
> >Workgroup
> >>> on Sexual and Gender
> Identity Disorders preparing the 2012
> >edition
> >>> of the DSM-V and the
> World Professional Association for
> >Transgender
> >>> Health (WPATH,
> formerly the Harry Benjamin International Gender
> >>> Dysphoria Association)
> Standards of Care (SOC) Workgroup
> >Committee.
> >>> We urge the British
> Psychological Society Division of Clinical
> >>> Psychology and all
> psychological professionals to:
> >>>
> >>>
> * support legal and
> social recognition of people of all ages
> >in
> >>> a manner consistent
> with their self-designated gender
> >>>
> * protect the freedom of
> all children to play, dress,
> >>> friendship, and
> expression associated with any gender
> >>>
> * condemn behavioural
> reorientation work with children
> >>>
> * boycott and protest
> psychological environments that support
> >>> discriminatory and
> oppressive discourses and practices which
> >>> functions to
> undermine support for children’s own gender and
> >>> gender-associated
> expression, are discriminatory against people
> >>> whose own gender
> differs from their gender assignment and inhibit
> >>> the legal and social
> recognition of transgender individuals
> >>> consistent with their
> gender identity and expression
> >>>
> >>> names or
> >>>
> >>> On behalf of X Members
> of the UK Community Psychology Discussion
> >>> list
> >>> November, 2010
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> David Fryer
> >>> Professor of Community
> Critical Psychology, Charles Sturt
> >>> University, Australia
> >>> Professor
> Extraordinarius, University of South Africa
> >>> Honorary Senior
> Research Fellow, University of Stirling, Scotland
> >>> President: European
> Community Psychology Association
> >>>
> >>>
> ________________________________
> >>> From: The UK Community
> Psychology Discussion List
> >>> [[log in to unmask]
> >>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>]
> On Behalf Of Gavriel
> >>> Ansara [[log in to unmask]
> ><mailto:[log in to unmask]>]
> >>> Sent: 29 November 2010
> 18:29
> >>> To: [log in to unmask]
> >>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> >>> Subject: Rough draft
> of brief statement on behalf of CommPsy
> >Section
> >>> and/or CommPsy list?
> >>>
> >>> Dear David and
> Section/list folk,
> >>>
> >>> Below is a rough draft
> that I can edit and complete this evening,
> >>> but I wanted to share
> the basic scaffold for your input and
> >>> feedback.
> >>> I can add citations
> tonight, too, so I am aware that these need
> >to
> >>> be added.
> >>> I've signed and
> perhaps we could combine individual signatures
> >with
> >>>
> organisational/institutional/list/section
> affiliations in the
> >final
> >>> version.
> >>>
> >>> Gavi
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> November, 2010
> Resolution against Dr Kenneth Zucker’s invited
> >>> keynote at the
> Department of Clinical Psychology at Manchester
> >>> As community and
> critical psychologists, we invoke the American
> >>> Psychological
> Association Resolution on Transgender, Gender
> >>> Identity, and Gender
> Expression
> >>> Non-
> >Discrimination<http://www.apa.org/about/governance/council/policy/chapte
> >r-12b.aspx#transgender>
> >>> (APA, 2008) that calls
> on psychologists to play a leadership role
> >>> in:
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>> ending
> discrimination against people whose own gender differs
> >from
> >>> their gender
> assignment (e.g., those often labelled ‘trans’
> >or
> >>> ‘gender
> variant’)
> >>> *
> >>> 'support(ing) legal
> and social recognition of transgender
> >>> individuals consistent
> with their gender identity and
> >expression’.
> >>>
> >>> The work of Dr Kenneth
> Zucker is in clear violation of this
> >policy
> >>> due to his refusal to
> support children’s own gender and
> >>> gender-associated
> expression. We are concerned by discriminatory
> >>> nature of his
> pathologizing treatment of children. Referring to
> >>> children who
> self-identify as boys as ‘girls with gender
> >identity
> >>> disorder’ or
> self-identified girls as ‘boys with GID’
> >>> contravenes
> >>> the spirit of
> APA’s resolution and, we believe, constitutes a
> >>> violation of
> professional ethics that mandate psychological
> >>> professionals to avoid
> causing harm. (should I add more here
> >about
> >>> the results of his
> 'treatment' or not?)
> >>> In addition to
> violating APA policy on recognising people’s own
> >>> gender, Dr
> Zucker’s behavioural reorientation work with
> >children
> >>> violates international
> human rights policies, including the
> >United
> >>> Nations Convention on
> the Rights of the Child (UNCRC) by
> >interfering
> >>> with children’s
> freedom of play and expression. Deterring
> >children
> >>> from wearing clothes
> associated with any gender, from playing
> >with
> >>> friends of any gender,
> or from engaging in play stereotypically
> >>> associated with any
> gender constitutes harmful discrimination.
> >>> We are alarmed that Dr
> Zucker continues to receive support from
> >>> within psychology and
> that he continues to hold leadership
> >positions
> >>> on the American
> Psychological Association Task Force on Gender
> >>> Identity, Gender
> Variance, and Intersex Conditions, the American
> >>> Psychiatric
> Association Workgroup on Sexual and Gender Identity
> >>> Disorders preparing
> the 2012 edition of the DSM-V and the World
> >>> Professional
> Association for Transgender Health (WPATH, formerly
> >the
> >>> Harry Benjamin
> International Gender Dysphoria Association)
> >Standards
> >>> of Care (SOC)
> Workgroup Committee. The influence of Dr Zucker’s
> >>> discriminatory
> approach on these three key policy-making
> >>> organisations that
> address treatment of people with self-
> >designated,
> >>> non-assigned gender
> inhibits their ability to achieve the goals
> >of
> >>> APA’s
> resolution. Rather than take a leadership role in ending
> >>> discrimination,
> psychological institutions and committees that
> >give
> >>> Dr Zucker a platform
> to spread his bigoted ideas in some cases
> >>> violate their own
> resolutions and directives.
> >>> We urge the Department
> of Clinical Psychology and other
> >professional
> >>> environments to
> consider the non-pathologizing and supportive
> >>> approaches offered by
> Diane Ehrensaft, Edgardo Menvielle, Herb
> >>> Schreier, and other
> professionals who have successfully assisted
> >>> these young people in
> actualising their own gender and
> >>> gender-associated
> expression.
> >>> We urge psychological
> professionals to :
> >>>
> >>>
> * support legal and
> social recognition of people of all ages
> >in
> >>> a manner consistent
> with their self-designated gender
> >>>
> * protect the freedom of
> all children to play, dress,
> >>> friendship, and
> expression associated with any gender
> >>>
> * condemn Dr
> Zucker’s behavioural reorientation work with
> >>> children
> >>>
> * boycott and protest
> psychological environments that support
> >Dr
> >>> Zucker’s work
> >>> In conscience and
> community,
> >>> Y. Gavriel Ansara,
> MSc, Department of Psychology, University of
> >>> Surrey
> >>> (add your signatures
> here)
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Mr Y. Gavriel Ansara,
> MSc
> >>>
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> >>>
> >>> 'Zoos are full,
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> >still
> >>> dearly loves a cage.'
> -Maude
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> >>> 'Zoos are full, prisons are overflowing... my,
> how the world still
> >>> dearly loves a cage.' -Maude
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> ·˙
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> >>> University of Surrey, Department of
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> >>>
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> >>> DSM
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> >>> Co-Supervisor, Lifelines Rhode Island/Cuerdas
> de Salvamento
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