Can we maybe try to set a precedent here, please? If no-one objects to
the statement within, say, three days, then we can say it comes from the
list as a whole?
J.
On 29/11/2010 23:32, Gavriel Ansara wrote:
> David, I am delighted to have logged on to make editorial changes, only
> to find that you have already made them.
> I support David's edited version of the collective statement and believe
> it should be sent from the list as a whole, if people are amenable.
> I should clarify my awareness that APA is regressive and that my intent
> was not to position them inaccurately as progressive, but to use a
> document from an influential, mainstream psychological organisation to
> frame our statement as not 'fringe', in case doing so makes our message
> more accessible to psychological professionals. Since I am unable to
> find an equivalent position statement from within UK psy professions,
> perhaps our statement will (in part) serve that purpose.
> 'I also would prefer to try to avoid focusing on an individual such as
> Zucker and focus more on the oppressive discourses and practices which
> giving platforms for his work promotes'
> Absolutely agreed. I'm very happy with the statement after David's
> incorporation of editorial changes. Are list members in favour of going
> ahead with this statement?
> Gavi
> On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Fryer, David <[log in to unmask]
> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>
> Dear Gavi and all,
>
> Thank you again for all your wonderful work.
>
> I am a member of the interim committee of the CP Section.. Jacqui
> has been consulting members. I wont divulge what is being suggested
> and I expect that Jacqui A, as Chair of the interim committee, will
> update us re CP Section actions but for now I think we can assume
> the Section interim committee will write its own letter rather than
> one on behalf of the Committee and List.
>
> (Some) list members may wish for a response by ’the list.’ I don't
> think we technically have a resolution but we could issue a
> statement of concern? However the List has no satisfactory mechanism
> for generating collective statements. One alternative is that a
> letter is written and people who want to do so sign up (as Gavi has
> done and people are doing). However speaking out on these matters
> can expose signatories to unwelcome attention and attacks. I think
> we should not be collectively silenced by this but I do think we
> should not underestimate the costs on individuals of speaking out.
> It is safer for those of us with more privileges (like me) to speak
> out than it is for those with fewer. An alternative to a letter
> signed by people openly would be a letter sent by the List
> moderators (Grant and m/ or me) on behalf of ‘X’ list members.
>
> Regarding invoking the American Psychological Association Resolution
> on Transgender, Gender Identity, and Gender Expression
> Non-Discrimination<http://www.apa.org/about/governance/council/policy/chapter-12b.aspx#transgender>
> (APA, 2008): I think that this would work better in a transatlantic
> context than for us now here. For members of a BPS Section
> addressing members of a BPS Division or members of the BPS itself
> via the Psychologist by reference to an APA resolution would, I
> think, read oddly and be less than desirable. Besides the APA is so
> problematic in relation to so many issues (e.g. torture) that to
> position the APA as progressive seems problematic to me. Moreover I
> don’t think we need to invoke the authority of the APA to oppose
> discrimination and support legal and social recognition in relation
> to diversity. The first part and bullet points could be omitted and
> the next section rewritten along those lines?
>
> I also would prefer to try to avoid focusing on an individual such
> as Zucker and focus more on the oppressive discourses and practices
> which giving platforms for his work promotes
>
> A version of Gavi's message edited and amended in line with the
> above suggestions and with some changes suggested by others posting
> on the list could look like what follows. But this is very rough and
> just at this stage suggestive as an alternative:
>
> Statement of concern regarding Dr Kenneth Zucker’s invited keynote
> lecture at the British Psychological Society Division of Clinical
> Psychology Conference 2010
> The work of Dr Kenneth Zucker, which functions to undermine support
> for children’s own gender and gender-associated expression, is
> discriminatory against people whose own gender differs from their
> gender assignment (e.g., those often labelled ‘trans’ or ‘gender
> variant’) and inhibits the legal and social recognition of
> transgender individuals consistent with their gender identity and
> expression. promotion of discourses which position children who
> self-identify as boys as ‘girls with gender identity disorder’ or
> self-identified girls as ‘boys with GID’, we believe, violates
> professional ethics that mandate psychological professionals to
> avoid causing harm.
>
> In addition to problematic discriminatory discourse, problematic
> practices, including behavioural reorientation work with children,
> violates international human rights policies, including the United
> Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (UNCRC) by interfering
> with children’s freedom of play and expression, and by failing to
> provide children the opportunity to be heard and their views to be
> given due weight, in relation to their experiences of their own
> gender and gender-associated expression. Deterring children from
> wearing clothes associated with any gender, from playing with
> friends of any gender, or from engaging in play stereotypically
> associated with any gender is oppressive.
>
> Members of the UK Community Psychology discussion list are concerned
> that the problematic discourses and practices, promoted by Dr
> Zucker's work, continue to receive support from within British
> psychology and that they are proactively promoted through Dr Zucker
> being afforded leadership positions on the American Psychological
> Association Task Force on Gender Identity, Gender Variance, and
> Intersex Conditions, the American Psychiatric Association Workgroup
> on Sexual and Gender Identity Disorders preparing the 2012 edition
> of the DSM-V and the World Professional Association for Transgender
> Health (WPATH, formerly the Harry Benjamin International Gender
> Dysphoria Association) Standards of Care (SOC) Workgroup Committee.
> We urge the British Psychological Society Division of Clinical
> Psychology and all psychological professionals to:
>
> * support legal and social recognition of people of all ages in
> a manner consistent with their self-designated gender
> * protect the freedom of all children to play, dress,
> friendship, and expression associated with any gender
> * condemn behavioural reorientation work with children
> * boycott and protest psychological environments that support
> discriminatory and oppressive discourses and practices which
> functions to undermine support for children’s own gender and
> gender-associated expression, are discriminatory against people
> whose own gender differs from their gender assignment and inhibit
> the legal and social recognition of transgender individuals
> consistent with their gender identity and expression
>
> names or
>
> On behalf of X Members of the UK Community Psychology Discussion list
> November, 2010
>
>
>
> David Fryer
> Professor of Community Critical Psychology, Charles Sturt
> University, Australia
> Professor Extraordinarius, University of South Africa
> Honorary Senior Research Fellow, University of Stirling, Scotland
> President: European Community Psychology Association
>
> ________________________________
> From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List
> [[log in to unmask]
> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>] On Behalf Of Gavriel
> Ansara [[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>]
> Sent: 29 November 2010 18:29
> To: [log in to unmask]
> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Rough draft of brief statement on behalf of CommPsy Section
> and/or CommPsy list?
>
> Dear David and Section/list folk,
>
> Below is a rough draft that I can edit and complete this evening,
> but I wanted to share the basic scaffold for your input and feedback.
> I can add citations tonight, too, so I am aware that these need to
> be added.
> I've signed and perhaps we could combine individual signatures with
> organisational/institutional/list/section affiliations in the final
> version.
>
> Gavi
> --
>
> November, 2010 Resolution against Dr Kenneth Zucker’s invited
> keynote at the Department of Clinical Psychology at Manchester
> As community and critical psychologists, we invoke the American
> Psychological Association Resolution on Transgender, Gender
> Identity, and Gender Expression
> Non-Discrimination<http://www.apa.org/about/governance/council/policy/chapter-12b.aspx#transgender>
> (APA, 2008) that calls on psychologists to play a leadership role in:
>
> *
> ending discrimination against people whose own gender differs from
> their gender assignment (e.g., those often labelled ‘trans’ or
> ‘gender variant’)
> *
> 'support(ing) legal and social recognition of transgender
> individuals consistent with their gender identity and expression’.
>
> The work of Dr Kenneth Zucker is in clear violation of this policy
> due to his refusal to support children’s own gender and
> gender-associated expression. We are concerned by discriminatory
> nature of his pathologizing treatment of children. Referring to
> children who self-identify as boys as ‘girls with gender identity
> disorder’ or self-identified girls as ‘boys with GID’ contravenes
> the spirit of APA’s resolution and, we believe, constitutes a
> violation of professional ethics that mandate psychological
> professionals to avoid causing harm. (should I add more here about
> the results of his 'treatment' or not?)
> In addition to violating APA policy on recognising people’s own
> gender, Dr Zucker’s behavioural reorientation work with children
> violates international human rights policies, including the United
> Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (UNCRC) by interfering
> with children’s freedom of play and expression. Deterring children
> from wearing clothes associated with any gender, from playing with
> friends of any gender, or from engaging in play stereotypically
> associated with any gender constitutes harmful discrimination.
> We are alarmed that Dr Zucker continues to receive support from
> within psychology and that he continues to hold leadership positions
> on the American Psychological Association Task Force on Gender
> Identity, Gender Variance, and Intersex Conditions, the American
> Psychiatric Association Workgroup on Sexual and Gender Identity
> Disorders preparing the 2012 edition of the DSM-V and the World
> Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH, formerly the
> Harry Benjamin International Gender Dysphoria Association) Standards
> of Care (SOC) Workgroup Committee. The influence of Dr Zucker’s
> discriminatory approach on these three key policy-making
> organisations that address treatment of people with self-designated,
> non-assigned gender inhibits their ability to achieve the goals of
> APA’s resolution. Rather than take a leadership role in ending
> discrimination, psychological institutions and committees that give
> Dr Zucker a platform to spread his bigoted ideas in some cases
> violate their own resolutions and directives.
> We urge the Department of Clinical Psychology and other professional
> environments to consider the non-pathologizing and supportive
> approaches offered by Diane Ehrensaft, Edgardo Menvielle, Herb
> Schreier, and other professionals who have successfully assisted
> these young people in actualising their own gender and
> gender-associated expression.
> We urge psychological professionals to :
>
> * support legal and social recognition of people of all ages in
> a manner consistent with their self-designated gender
> * protect the freedom of all children to play, dress,
> friendship, and expression associated with any gender
> * condemn Dr Zucker’s behavioural reorientation work with children
> * boycott and protest psychological environments that support Dr
> Zucker’s work
> In conscience and community,
> Y. Gavriel Ansara, MSc, Department of Psychology, University of Surrey
> (add your signatures here)
>
> --
> Mr Y. Gavriel Ansara, MSc
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> 席嘉力 آتش جاوید גבריאל יוסף
>
> 'Zoos are full, prisons are overflowing... my, how the world still
> dearly loves a cage.' -Maude
>
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>
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>
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