Yes, I agree too. And thanks again to everyone who has pulled this together.
Can we maybe try to set a precedent here, please? If no-one objects to
> the statement within, say, three days, then we can say it comes from the
> list as a whole?
> J.
>
> On 29/11/2010 23:32, Gavriel Ansara wrote:
>> David, I am delighted to have logged on to make editorial changes, only
>> to find that you have already made them.
>> I support David's edited version of the collective statement and believe
>> it should be sent from the list as a whole, if people are amenable.
>> I should clarify my awareness that APA is regressive and that my intent
>> was not to position them inaccurately as progressive, but to use a
>> document from an influential, mainstream psychological organisation to
>> frame our statement as not 'fringe', in case doing so makes our message
>> more accessible to psychological professionals. Since I am unable to
>> find an equivalent position statement from within UK psy professions,
>> perhaps our statement will (in part) serve that purpose.
>> 'I also would prefer to try to avoid focusing on an individual such as
>> Zucker and focus more on the oppressive discourses and practices which
>> giving platforms for his work promotes'
>> Absolutely agreed. I'm very happy with the statement after David's
>> incorporation of editorial changes. Are list members in favour of going
>> ahead with this statement?
>> Gavi
>> On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Fryer, David <[log in to unmask]
>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Gavi and all,
>>
>> Thank you again for all your wonderful work.
>>
>> I am a member of the interim committee of the CP Section.. Jacqui
>> has been consulting members. I wont divulge what is being suggested
>> and I expect that Jacqui A, as Chair of the interim committee, will
>> update us re CP Section actions but for now I think we can assume
>> the Section interim committee will write its own letter rather than
>> one on behalf of the Committee and List.
>>
>> (Some) list members may wish for a response by ’the list.’ I
>> don't
>> think we technically have a resolution but we could issue a
>> statement of concern? However the List has no satisfactory mechanism
>> for generating collective statements. One alternative is that a
>> letter is written and people who want to do so sign up (as Gavi has
>> done and people are doing). However speaking out on these matters
>> can expose signatories to unwelcome attention and attacks. I think
>> we should not be collectively silenced by this but I do think we
>> should not underestimate the costs on individuals of speaking out.
>> It is safer for those of us with more privileges (like me) to speak
>> out than it is for those with fewer. An alternative to a letter
>> signed by people openly would be a letter sent by the List
>> moderators (Grant and m/ or me) on behalf of ‘X’ list members.
>>
>> Regarding invoking the American Psychological Association Resolution
>> on Transgender, Gender Identity, and Gender Expression
>> Non-Discrimination<http://www.apa.org/about/governance/council/policy/chapter-12b.aspx#transgender>
>> (APA, 2008): I think that this would work better in a transatlantic
>> context than for us now here. For members of a BPS Section
>> addressing members of a BPS Division or members of the BPS itself
>> via the Psychologist by reference to an APA resolution would, I
>> think, read oddly and be less than desirable. Besides the APA is so
>> problematic in relation to so many issues (e.g. torture) that to
>> position the APA as progressive seems problematic to me. Moreover I
>> don’t think we need to invoke the authority of the APA to oppose
>> discrimination and support legal and social recognition in relation
>> to diversity. The first part and bullet points could be omitted and
>> the next section rewritten along those lines?
>>
>> I also would prefer to try to avoid focusing on an individual such
>> as Zucker and focus more on the oppressive discourses and practices
>> which giving platforms for his work promotes
>>
>> A version of Gavi's message edited and amended in line with the
>> above suggestions and with some changes suggested by others posting
>> on the list could look like what follows. But this is very rough and
>> just at this stage suggestive as an alternative:
>>
>> Statement of concern regarding Dr Kenneth Zucker’s invited keynote
>> lecture at the British Psychological Society Division of Clinical
>> Psychology Conference 2010
>> The work of Dr Kenneth Zucker, which functions to undermine support
>> for children’s own gender and gender-associated expression, is
>> discriminatory against people whose own gender differs from their
>> gender assignment (e.g., those often labelled ‘trans’ or
>> ‘gender
>> variant’) and inhibits the legal and social recognition of
>> transgender individuals consistent with their gender identity and
>> expression. promotion of discourses which position children who
>> self-identify as boys as ‘girls with gender identity disorder’
>> or
>> self-identified girls as ‘boys with GID’, we believe, violates
>> professional ethics that mandate psychological professionals to
>> avoid causing harm.
>>
>> In addition to problematic discriminatory discourse, problematic
>> practices, including behavioural reorientation work with children,
>> violates international human rights policies, including the United
>> Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (UNCRC) by interfering
>> with children’s freedom of play and expression, and by failing to
>> provide children the opportunity to be heard and their views to be
>> given due weight, in relation to their experiences of their own
>> gender and gender-associated expression. Deterring children from
>> wearing clothes associated with any gender, from playing with
>> friends of any gender, or from engaging in play stereotypically
>> associated with any gender is oppressive.
>>
>> Members of the UK Community Psychology discussion list are concerned
>> that the problematic discourses and practices, promoted by Dr
>> Zucker's work, continue to receive support from within British
>> psychology and that they are proactively promoted through Dr Zucker
>> being afforded leadership positions on the American Psychological
>> Association Task Force on Gender Identity, Gender Variance, and
>> Intersex Conditions, the American Psychiatric Association Workgroup
>> on Sexual and Gender Identity Disorders preparing the 2012 edition
>> of the DSM-V and the World Professional Association for Transgender
>> Health (WPATH, formerly the Harry Benjamin International Gender
>> Dysphoria Association) Standards of Care (SOC) Workgroup Committee.
>> We urge the British Psychological Society Division of Clinical
>> Psychology and all psychological professionals to:
>>
>> * support legal and social recognition of people of all ages in
>> a manner consistent with their self-designated gender
>> * protect the freedom of all children to play, dress,
>> friendship, and expression associated with any gender
>> * condemn behavioural reorientation work with children
>> * boycott and protest psychological environments that support
>> discriminatory and oppressive discourses and practices which
>> functions to undermine support for children’s own gender and
>> gender-associated expression, are discriminatory against people
>> whose own gender differs from their gender assignment and inhibit
>> the legal and social recognition of transgender individuals
>> consistent with their gender identity and expression
>>
>> names or
>>
>> On behalf of X Members of the UK Community Psychology Discussion
>> list
>> November, 2010
>>
>>
>>
>> David Fryer
>> Professor of Community Critical Psychology, Charles Sturt
>> University, Australia
>> Professor Extraordinarius, University of South Africa
>> Honorary Senior Research Fellow, University of Stirling, Scotland
>> President: European Community Psychology Association
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List
>> [[log in to unmask]
>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>] On Behalf Of Gavriel
>> Ansara [[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>]
>> Sent: 29 November 2010 18:29
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Rough draft of brief statement on behalf of CommPsy Section
>> and/or CommPsy list?
>>
>> Dear David and Section/list folk,
>>
>> Below is a rough draft that I can edit and complete this evening,
>> but I wanted to share the basic scaffold for your input and
>> feedback.
>> I can add citations tonight, too, so I am aware that these need to
>> be added.
>> I've signed and perhaps we could combine individual signatures with
>> organisational/institutional/list/section affiliations in the final
>> version.
>>
>> Gavi
>> --
>>
>> November, 2010 Resolution against Dr Kenneth Zucker’s invited
>> keynote at the Department of Clinical Psychology at Manchester
>> As community and critical psychologists, we invoke the American
>> Psychological Association Resolution on Transgender, Gender
>> Identity, and Gender Expression
>> Non-Discrimination<http://www.apa.org/about/governance/council/policy/chapter-12b.aspx#transgender>
>> (APA, 2008) that calls on psychologists to play a leadership role
>> in:
>>
>> *
>> ending discrimination against people whose own gender differs from
>> their gender assignment (e.g., those often labelled ‘trans’ or
>> ‘gender variant’)
>> *
>> 'support(ing) legal and social recognition of transgender
>> individuals consistent with their gender identity and expression’.
>>
>> The work of Dr Kenneth Zucker is in clear violation of this policy
>> due to his refusal to support children’s own gender and
>> gender-associated expression. We are concerned by discriminatory
>> nature of his pathologizing treatment of children. Referring to
>> children who self-identify as boys as ‘girls with gender identity
>> disorder’ or self-identified girls as ‘boys with GID’
>> contravenes
>> the spirit of APA’s resolution and, we believe, constitutes a
>> violation of professional ethics that mandate psychological
>> professionals to avoid causing harm. (should I add more here about
>> the results of his 'treatment' or not?)
>> In addition to violating APA policy on recognising people’s own
>> gender, Dr Zucker’s behavioural reorientation work with children
>> violates international human rights policies, including the United
>> Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (UNCRC) by interfering
>> with children’s freedom of play and expression. Deterring children
>> from wearing clothes associated with any gender, from playing with
>> friends of any gender, or from engaging in play stereotypically
>> associated with any gender constitutes harmful discrimination.
>> We are alarmed that Dr Zucker continues to receive support from
>> within psychology and that he continues to hold leadership positions
>> on the American Psychological Association Task Force on Gender
>> Identity, Gender Variance, and Intersex Conditions, the American
>> Psychiatric Association Workgroup on Sexual and Gender Identity
>> Disorders preparing the 2012 edition of the DSM-V and the World
>> Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH, formerly the
>> Harry Benjamin International Gender Dysphoria Association) Standards
>> of Care (SOC) Workgroup Committee. The influence of Dr Zucker’s
>> discriminatory approach on these three key policy-making
>> organisations that address treatment of people with self-designated,
>> non-assigned gender inhibits their ability to achieve the goals of
>> APA’s resolution. Rather than take a leadership role in ending
>> discrimination, psychological institutions and committees that give
>> Dr Zucker a platform to spread his bigoted ideas in some cases
>> violate their own resolutions and directives.
>> We urge the Department of Clinical Psychology and other professional
>> environments to consider the non-pathologizing and supportive
>> approaches offered by Diane Ehrensaft, Edgardo Menvielle, Herb
>> Schreier, and other professionals who have successfully assisted
>> these young people in actualising their own gender and
>> gender-associated expression.
>> We urge psychological professionals to :
>>
>> * support legal and social recognition of people of all ages in
>> a manner consistent with their self-designated gender
>> * protect the freedom of all children to play, dress,
>> friendship, and expression associated with any gender
>> * condemn Dr Zucker’s behavioural reorientation work with
>> children
>> * boycott and protest psychological environments that support Dr
>> Zucker’s work
>> In conscience and community,
>> Y. Gavriel Ansara, MSc, Department of Psychology, University of
>> Surrey
>> (add your signatures here)
>>
>> --
>> Mr Y. Gavriel Ansara, MSc
>> 席嘉力 آتش جاوید גבריאל יוסף
>>
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>>
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>>
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>> 席嘉力 آتش جاوید גבריאל יוסף
>>
>> 'Zoos are full, prisons are overflowing... my, how the world still
>> dearly loves a cage.' -Maude
>>
>> ٠•●♥Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ♥●•٠·˙
>>
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>> University of Surrey, Department of Psychology
>> http://www.psy.surrey.ac.uk/index.htm
>>
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>> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=373193592940&ref=ts
>> <http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=373193592940&ref=ts>
>>
>> Teaching Faculty, The Kerulos Ctr
>> http://kerulos.org/
>>
>> Contributing Author, Counselling Ideologies: Queer Challenges to
>> Heteronormativity
>> http://www.ashgate.com/isbn/9780754676836
>>
>> Member & Co-Author, Professionals Concerned with Gender Diagnoses in the
>> DSM
>> http://www.professionals.gidreform.org/
>>
>> Former Founding Director & Former Founding Advocates Programme
>> Co-Supervisor, Lifelines Rhode Island/Cuerdas de Salvamento
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>>
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