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On 09/14/2010 04:41 PM, [log in to unmask] wrote:
> Its lucky Ireland began with an "I" then isn't it :)
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Testbed Support for GridPP member institutes
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of J Coles
>> Sent: 14 September 2010 16:39
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: Getting Tier2 BDII configs consistent
>>
>>
>> In the NGI era we can interpret the prefix UKI not as UK&
>> Ireland but
>> UK Infrastructure! The reason for renaming was just
>> to gather our sites together in tool interfaces that previously only
>> sorted sites alphabetically and ignored other information
>> provided in
>> the GOCDB.
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>>
>> On 14 Sep 2010, at 16:33, Alessandra Forti wrote:
>>
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>> cheers
>>> alessandra
>>>
>>> On 09/14/2010 04:32 PM, [log in to unmask] wrote:
>>>> That would be the discussion that left you with UKI names?
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Alessandra Forti [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>>>>> Sent: 14 September 2010 16:14
>>>>> To: Testbed Support for GridPP member institutes
>>>>> Cc: Gordon, John (STFC,RAL,ESC)
>>>>> Subject: Re: Getting Tier2 BDII configs consistent
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> When there was the internal discussion to adopt more logical and
>>>>> uniform names across the UK, RAL didn't change it and sticked to
>>>>> RAL-LCG2. It wasn't an official request just a way to
>> make the sites
>>>>> easy to select and recognisable.
>>>>>
>>>>> cheers
>>>>> alessandra
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 09/14/2010 03:40 PM, John Gordon wrote:
>>>>>> I don't think it is a case of RAL 'refusing' to change
>> their name.
>>>>> We've
>>>>>> never been officially requested to change the name in
>> GOCDB etc.
>>>>>> The
>>>>> MoU
>>>>>> name is used in the Tier1 accounting and other reports
>>>>>>
>> http://www3.egee.cesga.es/gridsite/accounting/CESGA/tier1_view.html
>>>>> but
>>>>>> if you drill down to other sites (eg Lyon) you will see that they
>>>>> also
>>>>>> retain their longtime names.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I see no justification for experiments referring to RAL by yet
>>>>> another
>>>>>> name though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Testbed Support for GridPP member institutes [mailto:TB-
>>>>>>> [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Alessandra Forti
>>>>>>> Sent: 14 September 2010 14:56
>>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Getting Tier2 BDII configs consistent
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Jeremy,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I didn't know anything about this name up to now as RAL always
>>>>> refused
>>>>>>> to change their name. Manchester is using the name in
>> the GOCDB.
>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>> seems UK-T1-RAL is the official name in the WLCG MoU
>> though and a
>>>>>> quick
>>>>>>> google search shows it has propagated to the LHCOPN pages where
>>>> they
>>>>>>> most likely refer to the MoU names.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> cheers
>>>>>>> alessandra
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 09/14/2010 02:42 PM, J Coles wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Richard
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We should adopt the official name which is given in
>> the GOCDB and
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> is RAL-LCG2. Unless of course the Tier-1 intends to rename
>>>>>>>> itself.
>>>>>>>> Perhaps those using UK-T1-RAL (which is a more logical name)
>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>> explain where it came from initially?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Jeremy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 14 Sep 2010, at 14:24, Hellier, Richard
>> (STFC,RAL,ESC) wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Sam,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As to origin, your guess is as good as mine! What I
>> wanted to
>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>> stimulate some discussion and agree on one label every T2 can
>>>> use.
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Richard.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Testbed Support for GridPP member institutes
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Sam Skipsey
>>>>>>>>> Sent: 14 September 2010 14:06
>>>>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Getting Tier2 BDII configs consistent
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Richard,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Did you consider that this may be an artifact of other things
>>>>> (YAIM
>>>>>>>>> configuration settings, for example) changing? It's possible
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> mapping is correlated with the last time the BDIIs were each
>>>>>>>>> reconfigured. (RAL-LCG2 is certainly a valid, old, default.)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sam
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 14 September 2010 13:53, Hellier, Richard (STFC,RAL,ESC)
>>>>>>>>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> While upgrading the RAL top-level BDIIs last week, I
>> spotted a
>>>>> few
>>>>>>>>>> inconsistencies (including the "Latitude Change"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.gridpp.rl.ac.uk/blog/2010/09/14/ral-tier1-takes-
>>>>>>> unexpected-excurs
>>>>>>>>> ion-to-suffolk/).
>>>>>>>>>> The main thing I noticed was that "opinion is
>> divided" between
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> UK
>>>>>>>>> Tier2s
>>>>>>>>>> on how to refer to the Tier1. According to:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>> http://goc.grid.sinica.edu.tw/gocwiki/How_to_publish_my_site_i
>> nformatio
>>>>>>> n
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (link given to me in a GGUS ticket when I queried this), the
>>>>>>> parameter
>>>>>>>>>> WLCG_PARENT should be set to UK-T1-RAL whereas some sites are
>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>>>> RAL-LCG2.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Here's the state of play:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> EFDA-JET, RAL-LCG2
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> UKI-LT2-Brunel, RAL-LCG2
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> UKI-LT2-IC-HEP, UK-T1-RAL
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> UKI-LT2-QMUL, UK-T1-RAL
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> UKI-LT2-RHUL, UK-T1-RAL
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> UKI-LT2-UCL-HEP, UK-T1-RAL
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> UKI-NORTHGRID-LANCS-HEP, RAL-LCG2
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> UKI-NORTHGRID-LIV-HEP, RAL-LCG2
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> UKI-NORTHGRID-MAN-HEP, RAL-LCG2
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> UKI-NORTHGRID-SHEF-HEP, RAL-LCG2
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> UKI-SCOTGRID-DURHAM, RAL-LCG2
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> UKI-SCOTGRID-ECDF, RAL-LCG2
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> UKI-SCOTGRID-GLASGOW, UK-T1-RAL
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> UKI-SOUTHGRID-BHAM-HEP, RAL-LCG2
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> UKI-SOUTHGRID-BRIS-HEP, RAL-LCG2
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> UKI-SOUTHGRID-CAM-HEP, RAL-LCG2
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> UKI-SOUTHGRID-OX-HEP, RAL-LCG2
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> UKI-SOUTHGRID-RALPP, UK-T1-RAL
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> AFAIK, nothing is broken by the variation but might
>> as well be
>>>>>>>>>> tidied up
>>>>>>>>>> next time the BDII config is being updated.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Richard.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> PS: The same is true of how Tier1 sites refer to CERN but
>>>>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>> story ...
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