In the NGI era we can interpret the prefix UKI not as UK & Ireland but
UK Infrastructure! The reason for renaming was just
to gather our sites together in tool interfaces that previously only
sorted sites alphabetically and ignored other information provided in
the GOCDB.
Jeremy
On 14 Sep 2010, at 16:33, Alessandra Forti wrote:
>
> Yes.
>
> cheers
> alessandra
>
> On 09/14/2010 04:32 PM, [log in to unmask] wrote:
>> That would be the discussion that left you with UKI names?
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Alessandra Forti [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>>> Sent: 14 September 2010 16:14
>>> To: Testbed Support for GridPP member institutes
>>> Cc: Gordon, John (STFC,RAL,ESC)
>>> Subject: Re: Getting Tier2 BDII configs consistent
>>>
>>>
>>> When there was the internal discussion to adopt more logical and
>>> uniform names across the UK, RAL didn't change it and sticked to
>>> RAL-LCG2. It wasn't an official request just a way to make the sites
>>> easy to select and recognisable.
>>>
>>> cheers
>>> alessandra
>>>
>>>
>>> On 09/14/2010 03:40 PM, John Gordon wrote:
>>>> I don't think it is a case of RAL 'refusing' to change their name.
>>> We've
>>>> never been officially requested to change the name in GOCDB etc.
>>>> The
>>> MoU
>>>> name is used in the Tier1 accounting and other reports
>>>> http://www3.egee.cesga.es/gridsite/accounting/CESGA/tier1_view.html
>>> but
>>>> if you drill down to other sites (eg Lyon) you will see that they
>>> also
>>>> retain their longtime names.
>>>>
>>>> I see no justification for experiments referring to RAL by yet
>>> another
>>>> name though.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Testbed Support for GridPP member institutes [mailto:TB-
>>>>> [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Alessandra Forti
>>>>> Sent: 14 September 2010 14:56
>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>> Subject: Re: Getting Tier2 BDII configs consistent
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jeremy,
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't know anything about this name up to now as RAL always
>>> refused
>>>>> to change their name. Manchester is using the name in the GOCDB.
>>>>> It
>>>>> seems UK-T1-RAL is the official name in the WLCG MoU though and a
>>>> quick
>>>>> google search shows it has propagated to the LHCOPN pages where
>> they
>>>>> most likely refer to the MoU names.
>>>>>
>>>>> cheers
>>>>> alessandra
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 09/14/2010 02:42 PM, J Coles wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Richard
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We should adopt the official name which is given in the GOCDB and
>>>>> that
>>>>>> is RAL-LCG2. Unless of course the Tier-1 intends to rename
>>>>>> itself.
>>>>>> Perhaps those using UK-T1-RAL (which is a more logical name)
>>>>>> could
>>>>>> explain where it came from initially?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Jeremy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 14 Sep 2010, at 14:24, Hellier, Richard (STFC,RAL,ESC) wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sam,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As to origin, your guess is as good as mine! What I wanted to
>>>>>>> do
>>>>> was
>>>>>>> stimulate some discussion and agree on one label every T2 can
>> use.
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Richard.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Testbed Support for GridPP member institutes
>>>>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Sam Skipsey
>>>>>>> Sent: 14 September 2010 14:06
>>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Getting Tier2 BDII configs consistent
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Richard,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Did you consider that this may be an artifact of other things
>>> (YAIM
>>>>>>> configuration settings, for example) changing? It's possible
>>>>>>> that
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> mapping is correlated with the last time the BDIIs were each
>>>>>>> reconfigured. (RAL-LCG2 is certainly a valid, old, default.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sam
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 14 September 2010 13:53, Hellier, Richard (STFC,RAL,ESC)
>>>>>>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> While upgrading the RAL top-level BDIIs last week, I spotted a
>>> few
>>>>>>>> inconsistencies (including the "Latitude Change"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.gridpp.rl.ac.uk/blog/2010/09/14/ral-tier1-takes-
>>>>> unexpected-excurs
>>>>>>> ion-to-suffolk/).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The main thing I noticed was that "opinion is divided" between
>>> the
>>>>> UK
>>>>>>> Tier2s
>>>>>>>> on how to refer to the Tier1. According to:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>> http://goc.grid.sinica.edu.tw/gocwiki/How_to_publish_my_site_informatio
>>>>> n
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (link given to me in a GGUS ticket when I queried this), the
>>>>> parameter
>>>>>>>> WLCG_PARENT should be set to UK-T1-RAL whereas some sites are
>>>> using
>>>>>>>> RAL-LCG2.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here's the state of play:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> EFDA-JET, RAL-LCG2
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> UKI-LT2-Brunel, RAL-LCG2
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> UKI-LT2-IC-HEP, UK-T1-RAL
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> UKI-LT2-QMUL, UK-T1-RAL
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> UKI-LT2-RHUL, UK-T1-RAL
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> UKI-LT2-UCL-HEP, UK-T1-RAL
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> UKI-NORTHGRID-LANCS-HEP, RAL-LCG2
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> UKI-NORTHGRID-LIV-HEP, RAL-LCG2
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> UKI-NORTHGRID-MAN-HEP, RAL-LCG2
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> UKI-NORTHGRID-SHEF-HEP, RAL-LCG2
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> UKI-SCOTGRID-DURHAM, RAL-LCG2
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> UKI-SCOTGRID-ECDF, RAL-LCG2
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> UKI-SCOTGRID-GLASGOW, UK-T1-RAL
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> UKI-SOUTHGRID-BHAM-HEP, RAL-LCG2
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> UKI-SOUTHGRID-BRIS-HEP, RAL-LCG2
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> UKI-SOUTHGRID-CAM-HEP, RAL-LCG2
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> UKI-SOUTHGRID-OX-HEP, RAL-LCG2
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> UKI-SOUTHGRID-RALPP, UK-T1-RAL
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> AFAIK, nothing is broken by the variation but might as well be
>>>>>>>> tidied up
>>>>>>>> next time the BDII config is being updated.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Richard.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> PS: The same is true of how Tier1 sites refer to CERN but
>>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>> story ...
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