Yes.
cheers
alessandra
On 09/14/2010 04:32 PM, [log in to unmask] wrote:
> That would be the discussion that left you with UKI names?
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alessandra Forti [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>> Sent: 14 September 2010 16:14
>> To: Testbed Support for GridPP member institutes
>> Cc: Gordon, John (STFC,RAL,ESC)
>> Subject: Re: Getting Tier2 BDII configs consistent
>>
>>
>> When there was the internal discussion to adopt more logical and
>> uniform names across the UK, RAL didn't change it and sticked to
>> RAL-LCG2. It wasn't an official request just a way to make the sites
>> easy to select and recognisable.
>>
>> cheers
>> alessandra
>>
>>
>> On 09/14/2010 03:40 PM, John Gordon wrote:
>>> I don't think it is a case of RAL 'refusing' to change their name.
>> We've
>>> never been officially requested to change the name in GOCDB etc. The
>> MoU
>>> name is used in the Tier1 accounting and other reports
>>> http://www3.egee.cesga.es/gridsite/accounting/CESGA/tier1_view.html
>> but
>>> if you drill down to other sites (eg Lyon) you will see that they
>> also
>>> retain their longtime names.
>>>
>>> I see no justification for experiments referring to RAL by yet
>> another
>>> name though.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Testbed Support for GridPP member institutes [mailto:TB-
>>>> [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Alessandra Forti
>>>> Sent: 14 September 2010 14:56
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: Getting Tier2 BDII configs consistent
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jeremy,
>>>>
>>>> I didn't know anything about this name up to now as RAL always
>> refused
>>>> to change their name. Manchester is using the name in the GOCDB. It
>>>> seems UK-T1-RAL is the official name in the WLCG MoU though and a
>>> quick
>>>> google search shows it has propagated to the LHCOPN pages where
> they
>>>> most likely refer to the MoU names.
>>>>
>>>> cheers
>>>> alessandra
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 09/14/2010 02:42 PM, J Coles wrote:
>>>>> Hi Richard
>>>>>
>>>>> We should adopt the official name which is given in the GOCDB and
>>>> that
>>>>> is RAL-LCG2. Unless of course the Tier-1 intends to rename itself.
>>>>> Perhaps those using UK-T1-RAL (which is a more logical name) could
>>>>> explain where it came from initially?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Jeremy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 14 Sep 2010, at 14:24, Hellier, Richard (STFC,RAL,ESC) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sam,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As to origin, your guess is as good as mine! What I wanted to do
>>>> was
>>>>>> stimulate some discussion and agree on one label every T2 can
> use.
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Richard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Testbed Support for GridPP member institutes
>>>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Sam Skipsey
>>>>>> Sent: 14 September 2010 14:06
>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Getting Tier2 BDII configs consistent
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Richard,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did you consider that this may be an artifact of other things
>> (YAIM
>>>>>> configuration settings, for example) changing? It's possible that
>>>> the
>>>>>> mapping is correlated with the last time the BDIIs were each
>>>>>> reconfigured. (RAL-LCG2 is certainly a valid, old, default.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sam
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 14 September 2010 13:53, Hellier, Richard (STFC,RAL,ESC)
>>>>>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> While upgrading the RAL top-level BDIIs last week, I spotted a
>> few
>>>>>>> inconsistencies (including the "Latitude Change"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.gridpp.rl.ac.uk/blog/2010/09/14/ral-tier1-takes-
>>>> unexpected-excurs
>>>>>> ion-to-suffolk/).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The main thing I noticed was that "opinion is divided" between
>> the
>>>> UK
>>>>>> Tier2s
>>>>>>> on how to refer to the Tier1. According to:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
> http://goc.grid.sinica.edu.tw/gocwiki/How_to_publish_my_site_informatio
>>>> n
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (link given to me in a GGUS ticket when I queried this), the
>>>> parameter
>>>>>>> WLCG_PARENT should be set to UK-T1-RAL whereas some sites are
>>> using
>>>>>>> RAL-LCG2.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here's the state of play:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> EFDA-JET, RAL-LCG2
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> UKI-LT2-Brunel, RAL-LCG2
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> UKI-LT2-IC-HEP, UK-T1-RAL
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> UKI-LT2-QMUL, UK-T1-RAL
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> UKI-LT2-RHUL, UK-T1-RAL
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> UKI-LT2-UCL-HEP, UK-T1-RAL
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> UKI-NORTHGRID-LANCS-HEP, RAL-LCG2
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> UKI-NORTHGRID-LIV-HEP, RAL-LCG2
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> UKI-NORTHGRID-MAN-HEP, RAL-LCG2
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> UKI-NORTHGRID-SHEF-HEP, RAL-LCG2
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> UKI-SCOTGRID-DURHAM, RAL-LCG2
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> UKI-SCOTGRID-ECDF, RAL-LCG2
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> UKI-SCOTGRID-GLASGOW, UK-T1-RAL
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> UKI-SOUTHGRID-BHAM-HEP, RAL-LCG2
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> UKI-SOUTHGRID-BRIS-HEP, RAL-LCG2
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> UKI-SOUTHGRID-CAM-HEP, RAL-LCG2
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> UKI-SOUTHGRID-OX-HEP, RAL-LCG2
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> UKI-SOUTHGRID-RALPP, UK-T1-RAL
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> AFAIK, nothing is broken by the variation but might as well be
>>>>>>> tidied up
>>>>>>> next time the BDII config is being updated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Richard.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PS: The same is true of how Tier1 sites refer to CERN but that's
>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>> story ...
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