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Re: Record Owner - definition

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"Bradshaw, Phillip" <[log in to unmask]>

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Bradshaw, Phillip

Date:

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 15:57:01 +0100

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I certainly do not underestimate the problems caused by having IAO's but

there is certainly a healthy debate around whether many locked

repositories are healthier than 1 locked by the DP officer. Ultimately I

agree it is probably a cultural issue which will not be resolved until

information management is a board level issue in LG as it now is in

central gov.



Agreed none of this can be mandated for LG under current legislation

which is why the SPF is only 'strongly recommended'.



However we need to look down the road at the government IT strategy

through the lenses of the new economy. Joined up services and the cloud

are the order of the century. There is a real risk that if we do not

embrace SPF in the next few years we will be cut off from the UK  PSN

(and in Wales the PSBA http://www.psba.org.uk/) if we do not get our act

together. So they cannot mandate us but they can cut off our oxygen

supply if we do not behave as desired. 



GCSx compliance was tough but the barrier will rise further in years to

come.





Phillip Bradshaw



Information Manager 

Democratic Services



Room CY4A, County Hall



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-----Original Message-----

From: The UK Records Management mailing list

[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Dodgson, Paul

Sent: 10 September 2010 15:33

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Subject: Re: Record Owner - definition



The problem with this is that the owner suddenly treats it (the

information) like their house and the key to the house is in their hands

and they then decide who can see it or use it.  In some circumstances

this is acceptable but for a council it results in a hugh knowledge

management problem, with locked repositories all over the place.

Breaking the "owner" culture is vital to improving knowledge and records

management within and organisation



A Council is a body corporate and is not therefore in the ownership of

the crown.



P



-----Original Message-----

From: The UK Records Management mailing list

[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Marc Fresko

Sent: 10 September 2010 14:29

To: [log in to unmask]

Subject: Re: Record Owner - definition



Max, I don't think ISO 15489 defines any of owner, author, or creator.



Eleanor, I doubt you actually need to worry about the distinction

between creator and author.  That is to say, I can see the difference

(e.g. a letter's typist versus the executive who dictated the letter),

but that does not mean you have to capture both as metadata.  If you DO

need to capture both, then the reason why should be clear, and how to

define then should be obvious.  I  can think of one other possibility,

namely that you think you need to capture both because you want to

conform to e-GMS.  You don't - conformance for its own sake, in this

respect, will bring no benefit.



Finally, though Paul has a justifiable view that all records belong to

the Council, I suspect you could argue they all belong to Her Majesty

the Queen, with the Council and its Officers just being custodians.  But

that is a nicety that you can ignore too!  The "owner", for records

management purposes, must be the Officer responsible for looking after

the records or aggregation.  So, practically speaking, think of the

"owner" as being the Officer who would have to give permission to make a

significant change to a file - something like changing its title or its

access permissions for example.



And, like Max said, good luck.



Marc



-----Original Message-----

From: The UK Records Management mailing list

[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Max

Mkhize-Mwakitalu

Sent: 10 September 2010 13:45

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Subject: Record Owner - definition



"Why don't you use the definition provided by the ISO15489? Dont stress

yourself, reinvent the wheel. Goodluck"





-----Original Message-----

From: The UK Records Management mailing list

[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Eleanor Rowe

Sent: 10 September 2010 13:23

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Subject: Record Owner - definition



Has anyone got a nice, clear, simple definition of the owner of a

record.  I am struggling with creator, author, person responsible for

review, editing, updating, publishing etc.



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