I think what he meant was 'badder' poems, Patrick. It is always a
comparative term: no poem is good or bad - only judged so subjectively
in comparison to each other.
Andrew
On 2 September 2010 16:18, Patrick McManus
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Haven't we got enough bad poems already?? P
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Poetryetc: poetry and poetics [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Mark Weiss
> Sent: 02 September 2010 07:20
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: OED abandons print
>
> We could even commission bad poems for the purpose.
>
> At 02:16 AM 9/2/2010, you wrote:
>>Innovative, Mark: you could have a poem for the day hanging on the wall
>>prepared for its fate.
>>
>>
>>
>>On 2 September 2010 07:02, Mark Weiss <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> > I had this idea years ago for skipping a step and just printing very
> short
>> > stories or poems directly on the toilet paper. That way we wouldn't need
> to
>> > carry books with us. And there'd always be a surprise.
>> >
>> >
>> > At 01:34 AM 9/2/2010, you wrote:
>> >
>> >> And should anyone doubt my profound last statement, below are just two
> of
>> >> the many links that demonstrate the size od demand, from the expanding
>> >> Canadian market for 'green tissue' (so delicate these North Americans),
> to
>> >> Chinese warnings about running out. Yup, there's a future in publishing
>> >> print, it just might have to set its sights a little lower.
>> >>
>> >> http://www.tissueworldmagazine.com/10JunJul/country-report-2.php
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
> http://encyclopedia.toiletpaperworld.com/toilet-paper-history/complete-histo
> rical-timeline
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 2 September 2010 06:14, David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]
>> >> >wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > I think it'll survive as junk mail and chapbooks and vanity presses
> and
>> >> > items for the discerning (i.e. rich and stupid) collector even
> longer.
>> >> > Seriously, the more the demise of print is fanfared, excuse the
>> >> execrable
>> >> > verb, the more gets published, and the more secure the supply base
> for
>> >> the
>> >> > recycled toilet paper industry appears.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On 1 September 2010 17:50, Mark Weiss <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Print will survive in the form of braille for the foreseeable future
>> >> (note
>> >> >> pun).
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> At 12:46 PM 9/1/2010, you wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> Hal, you must be waiting for a soft furry bunny laptop(??).
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I prefer to reverse the order: "Print abandons the OED". Last I
>> >> looked
>> >> >>> Print is not going anywhere - just getting a little lonely waiting
> for
>> >> a new
>> >> >>> kind of recovery to kick in.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Alphabet tattoos anyone?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Stephen V
>> >> >>> http://stephenvincent.net/blog/
>> >> >>> Where my mom is revived with a new haptic & account et al
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> --- On Wed, 9/1/10, Halvard Johnson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> From: Halvard Johnson <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> >>> Subject: Re: OED abandons print
>> >> >>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> >> >>> Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 7:24 AM
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Wanna squash things flat? Hit 'em with
>> >> >>> a laptop.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Hal Serving the tri-state area.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Halvard Johnson
>> >> >>> ================
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> [log in to unmask]
>> >> >>> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
>> >> >>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
>> >> >>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
>> >> >>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org
>> >> >>> <http://www.hamiltonstone.org>
>> >> >>> *Obras Públicas*
>> >> >>> *
>> >> >>>
>> >>
>>
> https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/halvard-johnson-obras-publicas*
>> >> >>> *
>> >> >>> *
>> >> >>> <http://www.hamiltonstone.org>*The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye
>> >> and
>> >> >>> Other Sonnets*
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >>
>>
> http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-
> S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> *Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones*
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >>
>>
> http://www.amazon.com/Harvest-Entrance-Clones-Halvard-Johnson/dp/0965404390/
> ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1283182804&sr=8-1
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> *Tango Bouquet*
>> >> >>> <
>> >> >>>
>> >>
>>
> http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-
> S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >>
>>
> https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0ATDp6rzKkBkhZGZwand2cHdfOWc1Mnh3Zw&hl=en
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> <
>> >> >>>
>> >>
>>
> https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0ATDp6rzKkBkhZGZwand2cHdfOWc1Mnh3Zw&hl=en
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> *Theory of Harmony*
>> >> >>> *
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >>
>>
> https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/fall04/th
> eory1.pdf
>> >> >>> *
>> >> >>> *Rapsodie espagnole*
>> >> >>> *
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >>
>>
> https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/rapsodi.p
> df
>> >> >>> *
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> *Guide to the Tokyo Subway*
>> >> >>> *
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >>
>>
> http://www.amazon.com/Guide-Tokyo-Subway-Other-Poems/dp/0971487316/ref=sr_1_
> 3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1283183153&sr=1-3
>> >> >>> *
>> >> >>> *
>> >> >>> *
>> >> >>> *<
>> >> >>>
>> >>
>>
> https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/rapsodi.p
> df
>> >> >>> >The
>> >> >>> Sonnet Project*
>> >> >>> *
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >>
>>
> https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/hsonnet.p
> df
>> >> >>> *
>> >> >>> *
>> >> >>> *
>> >> >>> *<
>> >> >>>
>> >>
>>
> https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/hsonnet.p
> df
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> G(e)nome*
>> >> >>> *http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/fall03/genome.pdf*
>> >> >>> *
>> >> >>> *
>> >> >>> *Winter Journey*
>> >> >>> http://capa.conncoll.edu/johnson.winter.html
>> >> >>> *
>> >> >>> *
>> >> >>> *Eclipse*
>> >> >>> *http://capa.conncoll.edu/johnson.eclipse.html*
>> >> >>> *
>> >> >>> *
>> >> >>> *The Dance of the Red Swan*
>> >> >>> http://capa.conncoll.edu/johnson.dance.html
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> *Transparencies & Projections*
>> >> >>> http://capa.conncoll.edu/johnson.transp.html
>> >> >>> *
>> >> >>> *
>> >> >>> * <http://capa.conncoll.edu/johnson.eclipse.html>
>> >> >>> *
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:13 AM, Patrick McManus <
>> >> >>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> > What happened to JO?
>> >> >>> > Also cds are not much good at squashing things flat and keeping
>> >> flowers
>> >> >>> > pressed !
>> >> >>> > Still I admit the clay tablet edition had it's drawbacks-even if
>> >> fire
>> >> >>> > resistant
>> >> >>> > P concerned archivista
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> >>> > From: Poetryetc: poetry and poetics [mailto:
>> >> [log in to unmask]]
>> >> >>> On
>> >> >>> > Behalf Of David Bircumshaw
>> >> >>> > Sent: 01 September 2010 07:42
>> >> >>> > To: [log in to unmask]
>> >> >>> > Subject: Re: OED abandons print
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Well, the one-volume, Chris. I'd certainly concede that
> electronic
>> >> >>> storage
>> >> >>> > and retrieval devices, as long as they have competent operating
>> >> >>> software,
>> >> >>> > are better as mass information reference depositories but that in
>> >> >>> itself
>> >> >>> > sounds like a sentence from an operating manual poorly translated
>> >> from
>> >> >>> the
>> >> >>> > Chinese.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > On 31 August 2010 11:06, Chris Jones <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > > On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 16:18 +0100, David Bircumshaw wrote:
>> >> >>> > > > None whatsoever, I imagine.
>> >> >>> > >
>> >> >>> > > True, but the shorter two volume edition will remain, from what
>> >> the
>> >> >>> > > article says.
>> >> >>> > > --
>> >> >>> > > have chronic fatigue syndrome so may be delayed in reply or
> brain
>> >> fog
>> >> >>> > weird
>> >> >>> > >
>> >> >>> > > just to let you know that's all, Chris Jones.
>> >> >>> > >
>> >> >>> > > Blog: http://abdevpoetics.blogspot.com/
>> >> >>> > >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > --
>> >> >>> > (David Joseph) The Brothers Bircumshaw
>> >> >>> > "Every old house was scaffolding once/And workmen whistling"
>> >> >>> > Website and A Chide's Alphabet
>> >> >>> > http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk
>> >> >>> > The Animal Subsides
>> >> http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
>> >> >>> > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/david.bircumshaw
>> >> >>> > twitter: http://twitter.com/bucketshave
>> >> >>> > blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com/
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape.
>> >> >> $16. Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a lovely concatenation
> of
>> >> >> particulars. Here is the poet alive in every sense of the word, and
>> >> through
>> >> >> every one of his senses. Instead of missing a beat or a part, Weiss’
>> >> >> fragments are like Chekhov’s short storiesthe more that gets left
> out,
>> >> the
>> >> >> more they seem to contain… One can hear echoes from all the various
>> >> >> ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its core, is pure Mark
>> >> Weiss.
>> >> >> His use of the fragment is both elegant and bafflingly clear, a pure
>> >> musical
>> >> >> threnody…[it] opens a window, not only into a mind, but a person, a
>> >> >> personality, this human figure at the emotional center of the poem."
>> >> >>
>> >> >> M.G. Stephens, in Jacket.
>> >> >> http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > (David Joseph) The Brothers Bircumshaw
>> >> > "Every old house was scaffolding once/And workmen whistling"
>> >> > Website and A Chide's Alphabet
>> >> > http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk
>> >> > The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
>> >> > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/david.bircumshaw
>> >> > twitter: http://twitter.com/bucketshave
>> >> > blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com/
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> (David Joseph) The Brothers Bircumshaw
>> >> "Every old house was scaffolding once/And workmen whistling"
>> >> Website and A Chide's Alphabet
>> >> http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk
>> >> The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
>> >> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/david.bircumshaw
>> >> twitter: http://twitter.com/bucketshave
>> >> blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com/
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape.
>> > $16. Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm
>> >
>> >
>> > "What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a lovely concatenation of
>> > particulars. Here is the poet alive in every sense of the word, and
> through
>> > every one of his senses. Instead of missing a beat or a part, Weiss’
>> > fragments are like Chekhov’s short storiesthe more that gets left out,
> the
>> > more they seem to contain… One can hear echoes from all the various
>> > ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its core, is pure Mark
> Weiss.
>> > His use of the fragment is both elegant and
>> bafflingly clear, a pure musical
>> > threnody…[it] opens a window, not only into a mind, but a person, a
>> > personality, this human figure at the emotional center of the poem."
>> >
>> > M.G. Stephens, in Jacket.
>> > http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>(David Joseph) The Brothers Bircumshaw
>>"Every old house was scaffolding once/And workmen whistling"
>>Website and A Chide's Alphabet
>>http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk
>>The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
>>Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/david.bircumshaw
>>twitter: http://twitter.com/bucketshave
>>blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
> New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape.
> $16. Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm
>
>
> "What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a
> lovely concatenation of particulars. Here is the
> poet alive in every sense of the word, and
> through every one of his senses. Instead of
> missing a beat or a part, Weiss’ fragments are
> like Chekhov’s short storiesthe more that gets
> left out, the more they seem to contain… One can
> hear echoes from all the various
> ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its
> core, is pure Mark Weiss. His use of the fragment
> is both elegant and bafflingly clear, a pure
> musical threnody…[it] opens a window, not only
> into a mind, but a person, a personality, this
> human figure at the emotional center of the poem."
>
> M.G. Stephens, in Jacket.
> http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml
>
--
Andrew
http://hispirits.blogspot.com/
'Mother Waits for Father Late' republished available at
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http://www.qlrs.com/poem.asp?id=766
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