Agreed,
I also had a response that sounded promising suggesting those dates,
All the best
Mark
Dear All
For your information, I've just received an email from Brian Fretwell at
Allocate asking me if LSE has the facilities to host a pFACT User Group
Meeting between 8th and 19th November.
I guess official notice will follow from them soon.
Best wishes.
Amanda Burgess
Research Division
LSE
-----Original Message-----
From: pFACT user group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Kevin
Sent: 29 September 2010 13:59
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: pFACT User Group Meeting
Had a phone call from Tracey at Greenwich this morning. David is
visiting her today and she asked if there was anything she could ask on
our collective behalf. I suggested that she mentions asks when the next
user group meeting is due partly so that she can meet other users face
to face and partly so that the more they are badgered about when is it
likely to be they might just arrange one
Kevin Boxell
Costing& Pricing Accountant
Room AB2-34
London Metropolitan University
Tower Building
166-220 Holloway Road
London
N7 8DB
Tel 020 7133 4536
On 29/09/2010 09:55, Mark Gravell wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> I have just e-mailed David Leinster to chase up on this again. He
e-mailed just over a week ago (20th September) to say this would be
arranged for the first 2 weeks in October. I suggested the second week
at the earliest to give notice. I have heard nothing since. He has an
out of office until next Monday, so I will try to get hold of him then
if he has not replied before. I suggested that the Users arrange a
meeting if nothing has been firmed up still and asked if Allocate would
attend if the Users arranged the meeting.
>
> If David gets back to me that nothing has been organised by next
Monday, I suggest that we take action to organise a meeting ourselves as
I have suggested to him as this has been dragging on for too long now.
>
> I would suggest towards the end of October/ early November would be
best to give time for travel arrangements... maybe also best after the
RCUK visit. What do you all think?
>
> As I am new to this would a University normally hold the meeting if we
arranged? If so, who would be willing to host?
>
> All the best,
>
> Mark (Surrey)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pFACT user group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
Of Mark Gravell
> Sent: 15 September 2010 16:56
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: pFACT User Group Meeting
>
> Having just checked on National Rail Enquiries it would take me around
3 hours to get to Birmingham, so I would prefer London if possible.
>
> All the best,
>
> Mark Gravell.
>
>
> Kevin
>
> I have to agree, the Arden has always worked in the past, plus if
Allocate don't get there act together, train tickets to London are going
to be stupidly expensive from Nottingham?
>
> Regards
>
> Tim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pFACT user group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
Of Kevin
> Sent: 15 September 2010 14:29
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: pFACT User Group Meeting
>
> Might not be universally popular but does anyone think the Arden Hotel
> in Birmingham might be good? ;-)
>
> Kevin Boxell
> Costing& Pricing Accountant
> Room AB2-34
> London Metropolitan University
> Tower Building
> 166-220 Holloway Road
> London
> N7 8DB
>
> Tel 020 7133 4536
>
>
>
> On 15/09/2010 13:28, Gillian Brunt wrote:
>
>> Hi All
>>
>> I have had the following response from David Leinster today:
>>
>> Hi Gill,
>>
>> I am good thanks. I hope you are also well.
>>
>> We are still planning to hold the user group in the first two weeks
of October but no final date has been specified, we are currently trying
to finalise a suitable venue in London to hold the meeting.
>>
>> As soon as these details have been confirmed I will give you a call
and let you know.
>>
>> Many Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pFACT user group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
Of Mark Gravell
>> Sent: 15 September 2010 09:10
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: pFACT User Group Meeting
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I wrote to David Leinster before receiving the correspondence saying
Allocate would not be welcome by JeS and he said the following:
>>
>> "Thanks for your email.
>>
>> I have passed this onto Brian Fretwell who is Director for Education
to see if he is planning to attend.
>>
>> Many Thanks"
>>
>>
>> To me it does not make sense that we all have to deal with the JeS
issue seperately. pFACT is used by many institutions as this e-mail
trail demonstrates.
>>
>> I think we need to debate this point with RCUK "...not willing to pay
for a support service that is directly enabling the development of a
commercial product by an external supplier."
>>
>> If Alloacte paid would that make a difference?
>>
>> We need to explore this further with RCUK as it is the only sensible
approach as going through each institution will not work.
>>
>> I would suggest two options. Either please can Pamela explore this
further with JeS or we discuss further with them on 27th October.
>>
>> I also agree that we should wait for Allocate to confirm the meeting.
If everyone agrees, please can Gill at Kent chase up a response from
Allocate for the end of the week and advise them should something not be
organised and advised by Friday that we will organise a meeting
ourselves and invite them to attend?
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Mark Gravell
>> Senior Research Support Officer/pFACT System Administrator,
>> University of Surrey.
>>
>>
>> Dear colleagues,
>>
>> I agree with Sian. Let's see if Allocate organises a user meeting
before
>> we start organising our own - they should be able to
communicate/confirm it
>> by the end of the week at which point we then know if we need to
organise
>> it ourselves.
>>
>> On the matter of payment, my IT dept (from whose budget the
maintenance is
>> paid from) has not been as bullish as I would have wished so the best
I
>> could get was a letter to Allocate expressing disappointment with
support
>> and a wish to see improvements over the next year, and enclosing the
PO!
>> I am somewhat reassured by Southampton's recent positive experience
but we
>> need to see more of this.
>>
>> Ross.
>>
>>
>>
>> --On 14 September 2010 16:22 +0100 Sian King
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Dear All
>>>
>>> I would welcome any chance to get together to discuss pFACT,
although it
>>> would be better if Allocate were involved.
>>>
>>> Should we wait until the end of week, and see if David Leicester
promise
>>> of a date for an offical usergroup does come to about!? If not,
then I'm
>>> happy to meet up at either JeS event or any other date.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Sian
>>>
>>> On 14 September 2010 16:04, Tracy Banton wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I appreciate that our diaries will become rather full over the next
few
>>>> weeks. My suggestion was really to eliminate yet another meeting
if most
>>>> members of this group were aiming to attend the JeS event on the
27th
>>>> Oct. Regardless of the approach a round table meeting to discuss
matters
>>>> is surely more effective than the flurry of emails. However, I am
>>>> definitely willing to go with the consensus, if members do wish to
>>>> attend a separate meeting, I am more than willing to look into room
>>>> availability here at Greenwich.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Tracy Banton
>>>>
>>>> Research Support Manager
>>>>
>>>> Greenwich Research& Enterprise
>>>>
>>>> Extn. 8406
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* pFACT user group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On
Behalf
>>>> Of *Hazel Wallis
>>>> *Sent:* 14 September 2010 15:12
>>>>
>>>> *To:* [log in to unmask]
>>>> *Subject:* Re: pFACT User Group Meeting
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I agree that the JeS meeting is not an appropriate forum for this.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If an Allocate-organised meeting is not forthcoming, we should
either
>>>> organise our own - probably in London - and invite Allocate (but
Allocate
>>>> need to agree to have someone quite senior attend) - or - this has
just
>>>> been suggested by our Head of Procurement - a delegation from say 4
>>>> universities could visit Allocate's offices to represent the views
of
>>>> the whole group? It has also been suggested that as a group we
should
>>>> all be looking at alternatives to pFACT - not something I really
have
>>>> the time/ stomach for, but can see the sense.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hazel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> *From:* pFACT user group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On
Behalf
>>>> Of *Pamela Houston
>>>> *Sent:* 14 September 2010 14:37
>>>> *To:* [log in to unmask]
>>>> *Subject:* Re: pFACT User Group Meeting
>>>>
>>>> Hi All
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I checked with the JeS Helpdesk as to whether software developers
such as
>>>> Allocate had been invited to attend - response below:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I can confirm that we are unable to invite any suppliers to the
event
>>>> which is strictly for the benefit of Research Organisations only.
The
>>>> official line is that the supplier should deal with the
organisation
>>>> that they are contracted to supply to and not directly with us
(Research
>>>> Councils/JeS Helpdesk). If your supplier has any queries they need
to
>>>> channel the communication via yourselves and you send the query to
the
>>>> JeS Helpdesk. Apologies if this probably sounds unhelpful, however,
the
>>>> Research Councils have been quite explicit in stating that they are
not
>>>> willing to pay for a support service that is directly enabling the
>>>> development of a commercial product by an external supplier.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My preference is to have a separate meeting between pFACT Users and
>>>> Allocate so that the general problems we are all having can be
discussed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Pam
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Pam Houston
>>>> Research Grants and Office Manager
>>>> Research and Innovation Services
>>>> University of Dundee
>>>> 11 Perth Road
>>>> Dundee DD1 4HN
>>>>
>>>> T: 01382 388135
>>>> F: 01382 385423
>>>> E: [log in to unmask]
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> "Patel, Hitesh" 14/09/2010 14:20>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>> Dear all
>>>>
>>>> We haven't yet raised a purchase order as some issues we raised in
our
>>>> letter following the request for payment has not been addressed.
>>>>
>>>> It would be good if most of us do not pay otherwise I think
Allocate are
>>>> not going to take any action.
>>>>
>>>> A meeting without Allocate will serve little purpose so if they do
not
>>>> want to organise then we as a group should do it and seek
confirmation
>>>> from Allocate they will send someone.
>>>>
>>>> We should all forward the JeS workshop info to Allocate and ask
them to
>>>> send someone if they are not as one of the selling points for pFact
was
>>>> an automatic upload into JeS.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Hitesh patel
>>>> Research and Enterprise
>>>> Royal Holloway, Univ of London
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: pFACT user group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
Behalf Of
>>>> Sandland, Ruth
>>>> Sent: 14 September 2010 13:59
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: pFACT User Group Meeting
>>>>
>>>> Dear all
>>>>
>>>> We are probably not going to continue with pFACT as due to some
internal
>>>> IT
>>>> issues we have yet to implement it - however we are going to
attempt to
>>>> claw
>>>> back some costs from last year where we received zero support.
>>>>
>>>> Please may I stay on the list if possible though to see how things
>>>> develop?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Ruth Sandland
>>>> UK Research Manager
>>>> Anglia Ruskin University
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: pFACT user group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
Behalf Of
>>>> Hazel Wallis
>>>> Sent: 14 September 2010 13:30
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: pFACT User Group Meeting
>>>>
>>>> Tim - has the new version been delivered to you for beta-testing
yet
>>>> please?
>>>>
>>>> I am meeting with my IT dept this afternoon and suspect we will
agree to
>>>> the
>>>> same stance that London Met& Notts are taking, so that is 3 of
us.
>>>> Anyone
>>>> else? If everyone is paying up then Allocate will not feel there is
much
>>>> of
>>>> a problem.
>>>>
>>>> I am wondering what a meeting without Allocate would actually
achieve -
>>>> we
>>>> have done this once, and out of that came our list of demands which
went
>>>> to
>>>> Allocate in June. Since then - nothing much, apart from suitable
noises
>>>> of
>>>> concern from Allocate, with no real action. What do people think?
Can
>>>> anything further be achieved by meeting?
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes
>>>>
>>>> Hazel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: pFACT user group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
Behalf Of
>>>> Tracy Banton
>>>> Sent: 14 September 2010 13:11
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: pFACT User Group Meeting
>>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> Not sure if any of you know about the following event or will be in
>>>> attendance?
>>>>
>>>> It may be a possibility for members to gather during the lunch
break or
>>>> over coffee after the event to discuss progress on the pFACT
outstanding
>>>> issues such as those below (note that the pFACT model is not on
this
>>>> agenda for the cost model meeting). Is this yet another upgrade
promise
>>>> by pFACT that did not come to fruition?
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>> Tracy Banton
>>>> University of Greenwich
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: pFACT user group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
Behalf Of
>>>> Tim
>>>> Wilkinson
>>>> Sent: 14 September 2010 13:01
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: pFACT User Group Meeting
>>>>
>>>> Kevin
>>>>
>>>> Nottingham are currently taking the same stance that your IT
department
>>>> is
>>>> taking.
>>>>
>>>> I do know from having tried to contact Brian Fretwell he was on
Annual
>>>> Leave
>>>> until yesterday 13th September, and had been so for at least two
weeks,
>>>> although this is not an excuse for not organising the meeting in
>>>> advance.
>>>>
>>>> I will be very surprised if the meeting actually happens, but maybe
as a
>>>> consortium we should consider meeting anyway to discuss the issue
we all
>>>> have. Any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated?
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Tim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: pFACT user group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
Behalf Of
>>>> Kevin
>>>> Sent: 14 September 2010 12:16
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: pFACT User Group Meeting
>>>>
>>>> Morning All,
>>>>
>>>> According to Brain Fretwells's reply to us all, details of the user
>>>> group
>>>> meeting "sometime in the first two weeks of October" would be
avialable
>>>> by
>>>> about August 31st.
>>>>
>>>> As I have heard nothing and on the assumption that no one else has
and
>>>> given
>>>> Mr Fretwell's kanck of not meeting his own deadlines re responding
>>>>
>>>> to correspondence, how likely is is that thsi meeting happen in the
near
>>>>
>>>> future?
>>>>
>>>> Based on an e-mail I had from our IT dept thsi morning they are
going
>>>> down
>>>> the line that they want some information from Allocate but no info
no
>>>> purchase order.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Kevin Boxell
>>>> Costing& Pricing Accountant
>>>> Room AB2-34
>>>> London Metropolitan University
>>>> Tower Building
>>>> 166-220 Holloway Road
>>>> London
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>>>>
>>>> Tel 020 7133 4536
>>>>
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