Hi Aaron,
doesn't the primacy of Venus symbolism run a whole lot further than
the ensigns? My recollection is she starts Dee's planetary order and
is emphasised in various other ways. In short, wouldn't *much* more
need revising/replacing on this hypothesis?
PS Maybe this is why personally I could only ever get the system to
run in black and white! ;)
ALWays
Jake
On 1 September 2010 08:51, Aaron Leitch <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Fascinating text!
> But, alas, it attributes tin to Jupiter and the Sephirah Binah. (See chapters one and four.)
> If Dee actually did intend the purified tin of the Ensigns to represent Venus, then it has further implications for the system today. Given the relationship of the Heptarchia to the Arbatel, I assume that In 1900 CE Annael (sic)- the Archangel of Venus- ceased to be the "chief governor of this great period." The mantle would have then passed to Raphael, who should still be in charge today. Therefore, the Seven Ensigns today would be made of a mercurial substance (likely metallic alloy, ref. the Key of Solomon) rather than tin.
> LVX
> Aaron
>
> --- On Wed, 9/1/10, Ted Hand <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> From: Ted Hand <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] John Dee, Alchemy and Metals
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 2:35 AM
>
> have you seen the attributions in the Aesch Mezareph?
> http://www.levity.com/alchemy/aesch.html
>
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:59 PM, Aaron Leitch <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Sorry I forgot to add a subject last time, folks!
>
> --- On Wed, 9/1/10, Aaron Leitch <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > From: Aaron Leitch <[log in to unmask]>
> > Subject: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC]
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 1:57 AM
> > I just posted the following to a
> > Yahoo forum. I think it would be a good idea to ask
> > about it here, too:
> >
> > --- In [log in to unmask],
> > "AaronL" <kheph777@...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Greetings, folks!
> > >
> > > This was something I was going to explore later - but
> > I just read a post on
> > the Academic Study of Magic list that made me decide to ask
> > about it now. :)
> > >
> > > The design of Dee's Holy Table has some alchemical
> > symbolism attached. The
> > lettering is painted in "yellow" (which I understand at the
> > time likely meant
> > gold), it is covered with a multi-colored silk cloth (which
> > color the Key of
> > Solomon assigns to Mercury, along with metal alloys), and
> > then there is the
> > purified tin of the Seven Ensigns of Creation.
> > >
> > > I've never assumed the tin should represent Jupiter.
> > Instead, I suspect it
> > comes from an alternate list of alchemical metals to which
> > Dee had access. With
> > this in mind, I read this on ASoM:
> > >
> > > > From: Khem Caigan <Khem@...>
> > > > Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Relationship
> > between planets and metals
> > > >
> > > > Pingree relates a series of these, including
> > gemstones,
> > > > in Volume II of his edition of the *Yavanajataka
> > of
> > > > Sphujidhvaja*, on pages 253-258.
> > > >
> > > > The earliest is that given by Celsus, found in
> > Origen's
> > > > *Contra Celsum* 6, 21-22:
> > > >
> > > > Saturn: lead
> > > > Jupiter: bronze
> > > > Mars: alloy
> > > > Sun: gold
> > > > Venus: tin
> > > > Mercury: iron
> > > > Moon: silver
> > >
> > > This list was preserved in "Contra Celsum" by Origen
> > in 248 CE. Notice that
> > tin is attributed to Venus here - and Venus was the primary
> > planet of the
> > Heptarchia during Dee's time.
> > >
> > > What I would like to know is whether or not there are
> > alchemical lists, that
> > Dee is likely to have consulted, that attribute tin to
> > Mercury. This would make
> > sense for the Holy Table, which is intended to facilitate
> > skrying and
> > spirit-communication.
> > >
> > > LVX
> > > Aaron
> > >
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Jake
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