Thanks Philip, that looks really interesting. I particularly like the way that you subtly differentiate between curated and user-submitted locations. And reading around the site, am I correct in thinking that you have something which is trawling the records and creating machine-generated tags from what text it finds that appears to match geographic terms? Having that and then letting the users refine would be very powerful.
Regards, James
PS I should probably have pointed out that whilst I'm posting this with my Kew hat on it's as much a personal hobby / fascination of mine as anything else. Although one thing we've been thinking about is having people try to identify the location of some of Marianne North's landscape paintings.
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From: Museums Computer Group [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Philip Edgar [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 22 August 2010 23:23
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: User generated / crowd-sourced geotagging?
Hi James
DigitalNZ has recently implemented a tool that lets users add locations
to items via a map interface. As a contributor, we can harvest the
geotags back into our cms via the DigitalNZ API. There is a blog post
and demo on the DigitalNZ site at:
http://www.digitalnz.org/blog/news/article-help-to-map-digitalnz-content
--new-tool
Kind regards
Philip
Collection Information Services Manager
Museum of New Zealand Te Papa Tongarewa
(and Member DigitalNZ Steering Committee)
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From: Museums Computer Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
James Morley
Sent: Saturday, 21 August 2010 11:12 p.m.
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: User generated / crowd-sourced geotagging?
Hi Lotte
Thanks for your response - all really interesting.
I'm still not sure any of these quite hit the spot though for what I was
thinking. They're all things that allow you to take your own content
and place something on a map (admittedly in a very clever and fairly
automated way with something like Geosynth) or to view content that is
already geotagged.
But they don't allow me to got to Flickr or a museums online collections
and say "I know where that is" and readily contribute that information
in the same way as you might have user-contributed text-based tags.
On your last point, I'd absolutely see something which would allow you
to search/filter/predict in some way, and then whether it was a phone
app or a web based tool users would get a tailored sub-set of items and
could then refine or simply confirm the location, or indeed point out
errors. Equally they may not know exactly, but could at least put in
something that narrows it down, which then exposes it to people who are
interested in that locality who no doubt would do the final step and
pinpoint it.
I'll just give one practical example.. Take an image such as one of the
Normandy landings from the Imperial War Museum - http://bit.ly/cIr4zG.
The description tells us it was taken in Villers-Bocage. I could then
(or perhaps even an automated tool could) generate tags that put it in
that locality. And then someone who lives or visits there should be
able to track it down pretty easily. In fact people have done such
things - see http://virtualfunzone.com/normandy-1944-then-and-now.html -
but for all their effort, without that relatively small step that such a
tool would have facilitated nothing has gone back to the original
images. Without that an opportunity of providing an enhanced
experience, whether through a web tool like HistoryPin or via a mobile
based AR app, is lost.
Sorry, bit of a brain download, maybe we should take this off list!
Regards, James
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From: Museums Computer Group [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Lotte
Belice [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 21 August 2010 10:06
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: User generated / crowd-sourced geotagging?
Dear James,
A few things came to mind when I read your post.
I remember when the Haiti earthquake hit, a lot of people used Open
Street Map to geotag places with additional crisis information.
Furthermore, the Microsoft GeoSynth project and Wikitude might be of
interest. I personally really like smaller projects, such as the Project
Cassowary, which asks users to geotag Cassowary sightings to help
scientists with gaining insight in this endangered bird.
So, your app idea is great, and although I'm not sure it's unique, I
don't know about any other projects like this. It might be the best if
such an app consists of multiple levels, where first you need to know in
which city a picture was taken, then the neighbourhood (information
which could be better added to an online platform) and then have people
find out where in a neighbourhood a picture was taken with the app.
Have a nice weekend!
Best,
Lotte Belice Baltussen
R&D Department
Netherlands Institute for Sound and Vision
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From: James Morley <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: User generated / crowd-sourced geotagging?
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Saturday, August 21, 2010, 9:44 AM
Another one for the map geeks, originally intended as a Friday afternoon
post!
Sparked by previous discussions, I wonder if anyone is aware of any
successful projects/tools that allow users to geotag resources on the
web (or to contribute corrections/enhancements to things already
tagged)?
It strikes me that there are plenty of places where you can upload and
geotag your *own* content, but not really contribute geo information to
that of others. The only thing I can think of that I've ever come
across is http://www.flickr.com/services/apps/72157618453596744 which is
a beta for Flickr images, but it doesn't look like it's under active
development.
Not that it's a straightforward thing - if you are trying to 'place' a
still image in a 3-D space it's not just a question of Lat-Lon, you've
got direction, angles, zoom and all sorts to consider (if anyone has
tried to add an image on http://www.historypin.com/ you'll know just how
hard that can be, even with a nice interface and Streetview images for
reference!).
Which brings me to my thought - how about an AR type mobile app which
displays the image and then the user walks around with their camera
smartphone until they see exactly the same view, hits a button, and the
camera grabs and submits all the parameters it needs? Kind of similar
but in reverse to the excellent Museum of London app. Not sure about
the technical limitations currently, but from the human perspective
(sorry, terrible pun) if people are prepared to spend hours in photoshop
(myself included) doing these sorts of things -
http://www.flickr.com/groups/lookingintothepast/pool/ - then I'm sure
they'd be more than happy and have a huge amount of fun doing this.
James
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