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Re: Historic dates in HTML5

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"Tudhope D S (AT)" <[log in to unmask]>

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The Forum for Information Standards in Heritage (FISH)

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Wed, 11 Aug 2010 11:14:05 +0000

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As examples of tools building on the English Heritage Periods list and Timelines thesaurus  -

The STAR project has had to deal with archaeological datasets where time spans are expressed in a variety of ways so we needed to convert the data to a regular form and align time periods in the data to a controlled set of known periods.
See http://hypermedia.research.glam.ac.uk/kos/star/time-periods/ for a description of the method and link to a downloadable standalone application, which assigns a known time period identifier to a data record.
See http://hypermedia.research.glam.ac.uk/publications/#kos (top item) for a paper at this year's European Semantic Web Conference which also discusses conenction with CIDOC CRM ontology

Doug

Douglas Tudhope 
Professor, Faculty of Advanced Technology 
University of Glamorgan 
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Wales, UK 
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From: The Forum for Information Standards in Heritage (FISH) [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of ADAMS, Paul [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 11 August 2010 09:59
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Subject: Re: [FISH] Historic dates in HTML5

Hi Nick/Andy,

The Inscription website is currently in the process of being given an overhaul; If you would like current versions of the English Heritage periods list and/or the Timelines thesaurus please let us know and we'll be happy to send you the latest versions in .csv format.
All the best

Paul

Paul Adams
Data Standards Supervisor
English Heritage
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-----Original Message-----
From: The Forum for Information Standards in Heritage (FISH) [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Nick Boldrini
Sent: 11 August 2010 09:45
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Subject: Re: [FISH] Historic dates in HTML5

Hi Andy

not sure if these help, but here are some suggestions - not sure if they are quite what you are after.

Date qualifiers - http://www.fish-forum.info/i_drq.htm

Archaeological Periods list http://www.fish-forum.info/i_apl.htm

Draft timelines list http://www.fish-forum.info/i_time.htm

Also check out Internet Archaeology and the Archaeological Data Service to see how they have done things - they might be useful.

Finally, the Heritage Gateway has numerous HER's online which will have date info included - based on the above standards (usually) but also their own variations.

hope that helps

best wishes

Nick Boldrini

Historic Environment Record Officer
Archaeology Section
Design and Historic Environment Team
Planning Service
Regeneration and Economic Development
Durham County Council
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-----Original Message-----
From: The Forum for Information Standards in Heritage (FISH) [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Andy Mabbett
Sent: 07 August 2010 09:36
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Subject: [FISH] Historic dates in HTML5

Hello everyone,

This is my first post here. I've also sent it to the antiquist and MCG lists, and have been asked to repost it here. Apologies if you've seen it already; but please feel free to repost it elsewhere.

Having led deployment of microformats on Wikipedia, and in doing so having discovered several issues with the marking up of historic (especially
pre-Gregorian) and "fuzzy" ("circa", "flourished", "Georgian", "Jurassic",
etc.) dates as metadata, I'm now involved in efforts to gather evidence in support of the use of such values in the new <TIME> element in HTML5 (<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Html5>), at:

   http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Time_element

especially the sections:

   http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Time_element#Fuzzy_dates
&
   http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Time_element#Calendar_scale

Without such evidence, then the new element will not include the facility to mark up such dates in a machine-readable form.

I urge people to view the issues listed there; and the prior discussions linked at the foot of that page. If you can supply evidence of such dates being published (a no-brainer in this sector, surely!), existing schemas for doing so, or use-cases for how user agents (browser tools, other websites, search engines) could process such metadata, so much the better.
If anyone's reticent to do so there, I'm happy to receive suggestions by email, either on this list or directly; or via Twitter.

I'm also happy to answer any questions you may have.

Best wishes,

--
Andy Mabbett
@pigsonthewing
http://pigsonthewing.org.uk


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