would it not be better to have a solution like the APA (Psychology) where they have an independent association (SCRA) which also doubles up as a section? so one does not have to join two organisations but only the one of relevance.
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Sent: 06 August 2010 10:17
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I see Charles has just helpfully sent the link.
There are 2 steps: a) to join BPS and then b) join the section.
a) As I understand it the cheapest way to join the BPS for non- psychology graduates to join as affiliates for £20 per year plus initial one off £20 registration.
b)section fees: When I was investigating this back- along I gained the impression that other sections charge as little as £5. We could have a nominal change I think of as little as £1 for affiliates and a (?sliding scale) bigger charge for others. I donlt know how the money gets apportioned between BPS and sections ( and divisions - divisions are another issue altogether - not what we are talking about. ) but I think others on the " section working group" are checking this out...
Annie
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From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Harris Carl (RQ3) BCH
Sent: 06 August 2010 09:54
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Hello All
The link between what we pay as membership fees and what the fees will be used for is an important issue.
Do the fees paid stay within the Section? If so, do we have the option of using those fees to subsidise events to mitigate exclusion on financial grounds? (eg a conference with subsidized/free places).
Do some of the fees go to the central BPS organization and, if so, what do they pay for? If they pay for things that we think are "counter-productive" then this would be an opportunity to challenge the relevance of such activities.
It would be helpful to know what other Sections charge and what they spend their money on. Does anybody know?
It might also be helpful to revisit our original reasons for starting this process. Does anybody have this information to hand?
Cheers
Carl
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Sent: 05 August 2010 10:34
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Hi Wendy
I agree that whatever the fee (unless it was nothing) some would be excluded so I really was suggesting that the membership for some ought to be zero i.e. nothing at all. As I would not want the Section to get involved in means testing (which as practised by the State is invasive demeaning and inefficient) I am suggesting that we make the membership fee zero as a minimum and whatever anyone will pay as a maximum. However I am unsure what the decisions the BPS will 'allow' us to make about 'our' Section - I don't suppose the Society will be keen on subsidising the CP Section. On the other hand I am not keen on subsidising the BPS (and other Sections and Divisions to which I object). What 'costs' we incur depends on what we do and we have not decided that collectively yet so deciding how much to charge for membership seems premature? Apart from some of us who are already committed I expect most pondering whether to join would wonder what membership will offer to make it worth paying money? So i presume we need discussion about what the Section will try to do before what it will cost to join it. Interestingly apart from the date of the inaugural meeting (largely it seems to ensure it is at the convenience of senior BPS figures) the fee is the decision the Society seems to regard as priority. This may be an interesting issue to use to test out the relationship between the Society and the Section? I think it also gets to the heart of what a CP Section is for as far as we are concerned. I hope for a CP Section which is a potent force within the BPS for progressive change in psychology, which through the BPS is a potent force for making the UK Govt accountable for its destructive policies and their impact on subjectivity and which prefigures an emancipatory psychology. To make that possible and to be part of that I would pay a lot for membership. To be a member of a Section which published a Newsletter which contained the same old same old, sat inconspicuously on a few Society committees and acted as a fig leaf for other BPS oppression, I would pay nothing. So for all of us the question it seems to me is what is the Section going to do such that it is worth those of us who can afford to pay money to join doing so?
David
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Sent: 05 August 2010 18:58
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Thanks David,
I agree that we should aim for fees not to be a reason for exclusion. However, for some, I guess joining the Society in the first place might be excluding, due to their fee structure. So some people will be excluded by poverty regardless of what we decide. To minimise this issue for the Section, could we go for a nominal fee such as £1 for unwaged, a student fee of £3 and waged fee of something like £10?
Do we need to consider what the section needs as income in order to run? I don't know how these things work at all.
I think this is just the first of many thorny issues for us to grapple with regarding the new section. Perhaps we can try to take on one at a time!
Wendy
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Sent: Thursday, 5 August, 2010 8:15:47
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Hi Michael,
are you suggesting that the CP Section membership fee should vary according to the way the income inequality which characterises our society is reproduced amongst would-be Section members so that no potential member of the CP Section would be excluded from membership by poverty? If so, should the membership fee for an unwaged member of the CP Section be zero?
David
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Sent: 05 August 2010 16:48
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It depends on who it is for and how multidisciplinary you want to make it. Nurses probably do better with a lower fee. Psychiatrists can pay more (if anyone other than me would be interested).
Michael.
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Sent: 05 August 2010 00:02
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Dear All,
one of the issues mentioned by Wendy below (agreeing fees) is already urgent as far as the Society is concerned
The Advisor regarding Member Network Services at the BPS emailed recently with the subject line "Urgent - the need to set a fee for the Section" writing "We have to prepare a paper for the Board of Trustees for approval of the Section fee - currently the average fee for a Section is around £15 - are you happy to set membership at this rate for full Society members and £10 for students? Please let us know asap as once the Board approve, this will need to be ratified at the Inaugural meeting. For now though we have to get a decision from the Board asap."
This requires some urgent list discussion I believe?
David
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From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] On Behalf Of Wendy Franks [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>]
Sent: 05 August 2010 02:33
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Subject: British Psychological Society Section
Hello all,
Here's an email on behalf of the small group of us who met at the Plymouth Conference on 1.7.10 to discuss the approval from the British Psychological Society (BPS) to form a Community Psychology section. I agreed to send some information from the meeting to the list once we had a date for a meeting agreed with the BPS. This email is based on Lisa Thorne's notes from the meeting at Plymouth, so this is from the group, not from me personally. I'll add my own thoughts to the discussion later.
There are some requirements from the BPS in relation to setting up the section, and it appears that they are also prepared to offer some support.
The requirements are:
* An inaugural meeting to begin the process
* At the first AGM (within 1 year of inaugural meeting) we will need to vote in a committee which includes the traditional roles of Chair, Treasurer and Secretary, in addition to a number of ordinary members.
* We need an interim committee to get things going before the first AGM
* Set up membership arrangements and agree fees
* Organise the initial AGM within the first year, at which time the actual committee will be voted in
* We need a constitution (there is already a draft) and terms of reference
Some potential benefits and support from the BPS are:
* The section would have a seat on the BPS Research Board
* Support from the BPS Network Manager for developing a newsletter
* Can offer training on committee roles
The small group at the Plymouth meeting suggested that we could arrange the AGM to coincide with the European Community Psychology Association conference in York in Sept 2011.
In order to get organised, the group who met in Plymouth propose having an inaugural meeting of a whole day to discuss some of the many potential issues, and to propose an interim committee to start working toward setting up the section and planning the AGM. We suggested at Plymouth that we'll need to have a think about the relationship between the section and the list. Sally Zlotowitz and Jacqui Akhurst have kindly offered to liaise with the BPS regarding room booking, and organising promotion of the day. We will be meeting in the BPS offices in London for the whole day on 8 October 2010.
This gives us a couple of months to get ourselves organised for the inaugural meeting. Those of us who were involved in initial discussions thought it would be a good idea to use the list to develop the plans for the day. I think there are some preliminary suggestions regarding an agenda for the day, including what the BPS require of our initial meeting. The Plymouth meeting hoped that people from the list would offer help to plan the day. Please respond on the list if you would like to be involved.
Best wishes,
Wendy
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