One can keep ones hands on the keyboard to do everything -- no reaching
for the mouse. An added advantage is that to delete a message doesn't
reqire one to find and select a small check box with the mouse cursor,
then to find and select the Delete check-box, which often has scrolled off
the top of the screen. A single stroke of the "d" key does the job. It's
especially satisfying for expunging a screen full of messages with
identical message subjects, like "Re: [ccp4bb] attachments" for example.
dddddddddddddddddddd does it.
Keep the faith, George.
Bob
On Sat, 3 Jul 2010, George M. Sheldrick wrote:
> I like pine. It is especially useful if I am travelling and have a
> bad connection, or (as at the moment) I am at home and one or more of
> our children (three of whom are computer experts) are hogging our modest
> internet connection! And using it on the computer at the lab via ssh I
> dont get troubled by viruses or large attachments.
>
> George
>
> Prof. George M. Sheldrick FRS
> Dept. Structural Chemistry,
> University of Goettingen,
> Tammannstr. 4,
> D37077 Goettingen, Germany
> Tel. +49-551-39-3021 or -3068
> Fax. +49-551-39-22582
>
>
> On Fri, 2 Jul 2010, Ed Pozharski wrote:
>
>> pine is quite handy if you can ssh to your email server (Brandeis allows
>> that, for instance). Uses very little resources, fast, and poses zero
>> danger of ever executing a malicious code. There is very little
>> functionality added in other email clients. I don't use pine anymore,
>> but there is no need to give it bad name. And you can use colors
>> a-la-matrix :)
>>
>> On Fri, 2010-07-02 at 20:40 +0200, Flip Hoedemaeker wrote:
>>> Anyone still on PINE should consider a new email application :)
>>>
>>> Flip
>>>
>>> On 7/2/2010 20:29, Tim Gruene wrote:
>>>> I agree to this.
>>>> What are the actual reasons against attachments?
>>>> If one really has a slow network connection and cannot use IMAP instead of POP3
>>>> (if I understand correctly, with IMAP one does not need to download the emails
>>>> until one actually wants to read them, but I may be wrong here, too), would it
>>>> be a compromise to restrict image sizes to e.g. 500kB?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 01:35:57PM -0400, Douglas Jacobsen wrote:
>>>>> My opinion is that attached images in bb posts should be allowed:
>>>>> 1) Storage& network bandwidth is cheap
>>>>> 2) Attached (even inline) images are convenient to understanding the
>>>>> question/issue at hand
>>>>> 3) Emails are very easily deleted
>>>>> 4) If images are to be "attached" via web-links, then it may not be
>>>>> possible to refer to them appropriately in the archives if the images
>>>>> are ever removed from the hosting server. - it seems to me that the
>>>>> archive of the bb is an excellent resource, but is diminished if the
>>>>> content can not be maintained centrally.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Doug
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/2/2010 11:04 AM, Frances C. Bernstein wrote:
>>>>>> Why not put images, maps, or data files on your own web page
>>>>>> and then send out a link to that material? Then the e-mails
>>>>>> are small and anyone that wants to see the files has easy
>>>>>> access.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Frances Bernstein
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 2 Jul 2010, Tim Gruene wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe this netiquette is a little outdated. Sending a few MB to
>>>>>>> thousands of
>>>>>>> people is probably not much more than noise compared to current net
>>>>>>> traffic.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is the IMAP protocol which overcomes the problem of modem
>>>>>>> connections,
>>>>>>> which anyhow probably only affects a very, very small amount of
>>>>>>> people nowadays,
>>>>>>> and there are plenty of mail user agents which do not have a
>>>>>>> paperclip button,
>>>>>>> e.g. mutt, pine, etc, which address the very same problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's is a lot easier to show a jpg-image a few kB in size than to
>>>>>>> attempt to
>>>>>>> describe what you see with words.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyhow, the FAQ
>>>>>>> (http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#formats) the
>>>>>>> CCP4 netiquette (http://www.ccp4.ac.uk/ccp4bb.php#using) refers to
>>>>>>> explicitly
>>>>>>> allows MIME attachments, even though I also conside MIME outdated and am
>>>>>>> extremely glad I do not need to fiddle with uu-en/de-code anymore.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Again: maybe it's time to update the CCP4 netiquette.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> P.S.: I wonder how much traffic this email will induce ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 09:33:01AM -0400, Ed Pozharski wrote:
>>>>>>>> Several recent posts with decently sized attachments (now in cross eyed
>>>>>>>> stereo too!) prompt this (annual?) anti-paperclip-button rant. Lucky
>>>>>>>> for me, I can just recycle the old messages:
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers from the self-appointed thought police,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> "I'd jump in myself, if I weren't so good at whistling."
>>>>>>>> Julian, King of Lemurs
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Tim Gruene
>>>>>>> Institut fuer anorganische Chemie
>>>>>>> Tammannstr. 4
>>>>>>> D-37077 Goettingen
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> GPG Key ID = A46BEE1A
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>> --
>> Edwin Pozharski, PhD, Assistant Professor
>> University of Maryland, Baltimore
>> ----------------------------------------------
>> When the Way is forgotten duty and justice appear;
>> Then knowledge and wisdom are born along with hypocrisy.
>> When harmonious relationships dissolve then respect and devotion arise;
>> When a nation falls to chaos then loyalty and patriotism are born.
>> ------------------------------ / Lao Tse /
>>
>>
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