I like pine. It is especially useful if I am travelling and have a
bad connection, or (as at the moment) I am at home and one or more of
our children (three of whom are computer experts) are hogging our modest
internet connection! And using it on the computer at the lab via ssh I
dont get troubled by viruses or large attachments.
George
Prof. George M. Sheldrick FRS
Dept. Structural Chemistry,
University of Goettingen,
Tammannstr. 4,
D37077 Goettingen, Germany
Tel. +49-551-39-3021 or -3068
Fax. +49-551-39-22582
On Fri, 2 Jul 2010, Ed Pozharski wrote:
> pine is quite handy if you can ssh to your email server (Brandeis allows
> that, for instance). Uses very little resources, fast, and poses zero
> danger of ever executing a malicious code. There is very little
> functionality added in other email clients. I don't use pine anymore,
> but there is no need to give it bad name. And you can use colors
> a-la-matrix :)
>
> On Fri, 2010-07-02 at 20:40 +0200, Flip Hoedemaeker wrote:
> > Anyone still on PINE should consider a new email application :)
> >
> > Flip
> >
> > On 7/2/2010 20:29, Tim Gruene wrote:
> > > I agree to this.
> > > What are the actual reasons against attachments?
> > > If one really has a slow network connection and cannot use IMAP instead of POP3
> > > (if I understand correctly, with IMAP one does not need to download the emails
> > > until one actually wants to read them, but I may be wrong here, too), would it
> > > be a compromise to restrict image sizes to e.g. 500kB?
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 01:35:57PM -0400, Douglas Jacobsen wrote:
> > >> My opinion is that attached images in bb posts should be allowed:
> > >> 1) Storage& network bandwidth is cheap
> > >> 2) Attached (even inline) images are convenient to understanding the
> > >> question/issue at hand
> > >> 3) Emails are very easily deleted
> > >> 4) If images are to be "attached" via web-links, then it may not be
> > >> possible to refer to them appropriately in the archives if the images
> > >> are ever removed from the hosting server. - it seems to me that the
> > >> archive of the bb is an excellent resource, but is diminished if the
> > >> content can not be maintained centrally.
> > >>
> > >> -Doug
> > >>
> > >> On 7/2/2010 11:04 AM, Frances C. Bernstein wrote:
> > >>> Why not put images, maps, or data files on your own web page
> > >>> and then send out a link to that material? Then the e-mails
> > >>> are small and anyone that wants to see the files has easy
> > >>> access.
> > >>>
> > >>> Frances Bernstein
> > >>>
> > >>> =====================================================
> > >>> **** Bernstein + Sons
> > >>> * * Information Systems Consultants
> > >>> **** 5 Brewster Lane, Bellport, NY 11713-2803
> > >>> * * ***
> > >>> **** * Frances C. Bernstein
> > >>> * *** [log in to unmask]
> > >>> *** *
> > >>> * *** 1-631-286-1339 FAX: 1-631-286-1999
> > >>> =====================================================
> > >>>
> > >>> On Fri, 2 Jul 2010, Tim Gruene wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Maybe this netiquette is a little outdated. Sending a few MB to
> > >>>> thousands of
> > >>>> people is probably not much more than noise compared to current net
> > >>>> traffic.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> There is the IMAP protocol which overcomes the problem of modem
> > >>>> connections,
> > >>>> which anyhow probably only affects a very, very small amount of
> > >>>> people nowadays,
> > >>>> and there are plenty of mail user agents which do not have a
> > >>>> paperclip button,
> > >>>> e.g. mutt, pine, etc, which address the very same problem.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> It's is a lot easier to show a jpg-image a few kB in size than to
> > >>>> attempt to
> > >>>> describe what you see with words.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Anyhow, the FAQ
> > >>>> (http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#formats) the
> > >>>> CCP4 netiquette (http://www.ccp4.ac.uk/ccp4bb.php#using) refers to
> > >>>> explicitly
> > >>>> allows MIME attachments, even though I also conside MIME outdated and am
> > >>>> extremely glad I do not need to fiddle with uu-en/de-code anymore.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Again: maybe it's time to update the CCP4 netiquette.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Tim
> > >>>>
> > >>>> P.S.: I wonder how much traffic this email will induce ;-)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 09:33:01AM -0400, Ed Pozharski wrote:
> > >>>>> Several recent posts with decently sized attachments (now in cross eyed
> > >>>>> stereo too!) prompt this (annual?) anti-paperclip-button rant. Lucky
> > >>>>> for me, I can just recycle the old messages:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> [log in to unmask]" target="_blank">http:[log in to unmask]
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Cheers from the self-appointed thought police,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Ed.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> --
> > >>>>> "I'd jump in myself, if I weren't so good at whistling."
> > >>>>> Julian, King of Lemurs
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> Tim Gruene
> > >>>> Institut fuer anorganische Chemie
> > >>>> Tammannstr. 4
> > >>>> D-37077 Goettingen
> > >>>>
> > >>>> GPG Key ID = A46BEE1A
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >
>
> --
> Edwin Pozharski, PhD, Assistant Professor
> University of Maryland, Baltimore
> ----------------------------------------------
> When the Way is forgotten duty and justice appear;
> Then knowledge and wisdom are born along with hypocrisy.
> When harmonious relationships dissolve then respect and devotion arise;
> When a nation falls to chaos then loyalty and patriotism are born.
> ------------------------------ / Lao Tse /
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