In a way, I suppose Canada is doing the world a favour. The Canadian
Long Form "Census" of 2011 could become a famous case study on the
shortcomings of self-selected samples!
Murray Jorgensen
On 27/07/2010 10:21 a.m., Alan Statistics wrote:
> With Respect
>
> The census short form is and undisputedly will continue to be sent to
> every household. The long form has previously been sent to one of every
> five short form recipients.
>
> The proposed voluntary household survey would not be part of the census.
>
> The change is not a cost-cutting move; it will increase expenditure by a
> lot since forms will now have to be printed and mailed to twice as many
> people.
>
> Yours Sincerely,
> Alan E. Dunne
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Mansfield"
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> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 5:51 PM
> Subject: Re: Census or not?
>
>
> I salute his courage
>
> Recent behaviour by big government globally (cf. Prof Nutt in the UK)
> suggests that the various political masters think that science can be
> commanded to their beck and call. I say think, hopefully again (if they
> have thought once to start with). That stats Canada is beholden to the
> elected officials is damning enough.
>
> A simpler solution might have been to insist that without visiting every
> Canadian, it should not be called a census. Deciding which of a 20% or 30%
> sample to call a census seems to be about degrees of disingenuity
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Martin Holt
> Sent: 26 July 2010 11:53 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Census or not?
>
> For Heads of Quality, it is not uncommon, speaking from experience, for
> one's masters to attempt to force a way forward that is ostensibly
> wrong, to
> save money. Worse, they then expect you, as Head of Quality, to explain to
> the customers why the company have reneged on its promises, and to try to
> find a cheaper way forward with said customers. If Quality Managers, and
> dare-I-say it, QPs, resigned every time this happened, on solid principles,
> there would be a very rapid turnover of Heads of Quality across the
> clinical
> diagnostics and pharmaceutical industries.
>
> This link, however, is a bridge too far, and I understand the resignation
>
> What effect will it have? Will his successor be more "compliant"? If so,
> what effect will asking a third of households to voluntarily fill in the
> new
> census have, compared to 20% of households being asked to fill in the
> longer
> version? Will anyone be able to infer anything about Canada's people from
> the new, voluntary census, with any VALIDITY (there's that word again)? I
> think not.
>
> My fear now, is that in our new "BIG Society", that the government will
> think, "Hey, that'll save us a bundle...we'll go for that ! After all, look
> ~ Canada's done it !"
>
> Does anyone know if this voluntary approach to a census has been adopted by
> any other countries ?
>
> Best to all,
>
> Martin Holt
>
> Martin Holt
> Medical Statistician
>
> --- On Sat, 24/7/10, Quentin Burrell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>
> From: Quentin Burrell <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Census or not?
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Saturday, 24 July, 2010, 20:01
>
>
> A colleague sent me the following:
>
> http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/StatsCan+boss+quits+over+census+mess/33053
>
> 87/story.html
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Quentin Burrell
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