Hi Khem,
point taken re the Kabbalistic Ishim &c, but see Qlipoth thread for
non-equivalence of Kabbalah (Jewish) and Qabalah (generic). One thing
among many that impresses me about the ATRs is the coherent consensus
regarding eschatology, something absent from the modern 'Western
Tradition' despite many opportunities in its heritage.
Incidentally Masonry of any stripe holds no appeal for yours truly,
and I'm not arguing for a return to genteel classicism ;)
ALWays
Jake
On 1 July 2010 01:37, Khem Caigan <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Jake Stratton-Kent doth schreibble :
>>
>> Oddly enough, if we are to harmonise Western Magic with the magical
>> traditions of the New World (rooted in African Christianity), we first
>> need to examine the pre-Christian roots of the Western Tradition.
>
> Hi, Jake ~
>
>
> Weighing in from the Kaatskills in New York State ( haunted
> by the likes of Andrew Jackson Davis, Emma Hardinge Britten
> and Paschal Beverly Randolph ), where African and Indigenous
> ( including the Caribbean - see : http://tinyurl.com/25mjv6n )
> magical practices mingled with those of the Shakers, Witches
> and Spiritualists ( among others ).
>
> Spiritualist practices involving conversations with those
> who have passed on were and are rather common in certain
> pre-Wiccan strains of Craft here in the States, strains that
> tend to be more eclectic and agglutinative with regard to
> Indigenous practices around the globe ( including things
> like Max Freedom Long's Hawaiian 'Huna', for example ), rather
> than basing themselves on Fringe-Masonic Egyptological /
> Hellenic / 'Celtic' practices.
>
> They are also more trance ( and "drug" ) positive than the
> Gardnerians that followed ( see again, for example, the Taino,
> who still employ their psychoactive sacrament when conversing
> with their ancestors and the zemies ).
>
> But I also recollect that there was a Minoan Wiccan 'dumb supper'
> held a ways back, celebrating Ed ( Lord Gwyddion ) Buczynski's
> place among the 'Mighty Dead'.
>
> See also :
>
> PaDeva :
> A Neo-Pagan Wiccan Ayahuasca Church
> http://tinyurl.com/36xy5uv
>
> Eleusis :
> Journal of Psychoactive Plants & Compounds
> http://tinyurl.com/2blu7ra
>
> According to Aryeh Kaplan and Lionel Ziprin, the practice of
> conversing with discarnate Maggidim is still quite common, as
> is the practice of 'gathering the sparks' by laying prone upon
> the graves of 'heroic' Rabbis. And there is also a tradition
> that involves spending time in certain caves that figure in
> the transmission of certain Kabbalistic teachings.
>
> See :
>
> Israel's Beneficent Dead :
> Ancestor Cult and Necromancy in
> Ancient Israelite Religion and Tradition
> by Brian B. Schmidt
> http://tinyurl.com/276wsr6
>
> And since you are already familiar with Philo's take on the
> equivalence of souls and daemons and angels, I will simply
> pass over that here ;)
>
> Cors in Manu Domine,
>
>
> ~ Khem Caigan
> <[log in to unmask]>
>
> "Heat and Moisture are Active to Generation;
> Cold and Dryness are Passive, in and to each Thing;
> Fire and Air, Active by Elementation;
> Water and Earth, Passive to Generation."
>
> *Of the Division of Chaos*
> -Dr. Simon Forman
>
--
Jake
http://www.underworld-apothecary.com/
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