hi toyin,
I later noticed someone had mentioned Stewart and
i'm glad of it. his writing on the subject and on
Arthurian/Merlin themes have been inspiring.
toyin adepoju <[log in to unmask]>:
> Could you please explain the point you were
> making about my reference to Hillyer?
I was merely adding to your text in reflection that
it a sizable focus on Underworld Initiation (whether
by text title or ritual focus) seems to be part and
parcel of at least my occult / religious experiences
in SF Bay Area Neopaganism and school gaming).
sorry about any confusion,
nagasiva yronwode ([log in to unmask]), Director
YIPPIE*! -- http://www.yronwode.org/
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> On 21 July 2010 09:14, nagasiva yronwode, YIPPIE Director <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > hi toyin et al,
> > toyin adepoju <[log in to unmask]>,
> > > A powerful,original,modern creation of what could be understood as an
> > > underworld initiation in a Western context is Carolyn Hillyer's *Oracle
> > of
> > > Nights* and its accompanying musical production *Cave of Elders*. It
> > works
> > > through a visualization,accompanied by evocative poetic text, that
> > > correlates progression within a sequence of caves with female biology and
> > > female biological cycles.
> > <snip>
> >
> > I don't think that i saw this practical reference mentioned:
> >
> > R.J. Stewart, "The Underworld Initiation"
> >
> > in combination with the Matthews' "The Western Way", these
> > were strongly recommended to me as valuable study materials
> > by California Gardnerian witches in the 1990s, giving me
> > the impression that some Underworld symbolism/ritualism
> > were being emphasized. there were, also, within Outer Court
> > instructions, several variants on visualizations ritualized
> > which featured Underworld themes, whether in associated
> > with Inanna, or Demeter/Persephone, or with the Faerie.
> > I wrote one of these myself intending to encounter an
> > Underworld Dragon encounter.
> >
> > my impression is that at least in my general involvements
> > (SFBay Area, 1970s-2000), these were a more mature and
> > less violent complement to the Dungeons and Dragons hack
> > and slash explorations of Underground group storytelling
> > role-playing adventures which preceded this in my teens,
> > and, in combination, constituted quite a heavy emphasis
> > on Underworld imaginative or ritual engagements.
> >
> > nagasiva yronwode ([log in to unmask]), Director
> > YIPPIE*! -- http://www.yronwode.org/
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> >
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