Of course you can call anything form. I've already mentioned the alphabet,
phonetics, and such.
I think everyone knows what I mean in this particular discussion when I say
"form." So far the discussion has not suffered from anyone's playing games
with the term.
--Uche
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 3:57 PM, Alison Croggon <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Dr Seuss was my first formative influence. When I read him to my kids,
> I realised how fabulously inventive he is.
>
> There's no such thing as formless poetry. The concept makes absolutely
> no sense to me. I don't understand why form only applies to rhyme:
> Douglas has mentioned Pound, one of the great workers of form in the
> last century. Maybe only Auden challenges him in terms of prosodic
> control. (Try writing lines like that). I'm sure that's why Frost
> admired him.
>
> I'm not sure whether art is possible without the tensions of
> constraint. What's boring, with any form, is when a practitioner only
> works within his/her chosen form, and doesn't struggle against it.
>
> xA
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 7:13 AM, Douglas Barbour
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > On 23-Jun-10, at 1:01 PM, Uche Ogbuji wrote:
> >>>
> >> So do you find most poets writing in free verse not boring?
> >
> > Didnt say that, Uche; a lot of them are.
> >>
> >> I find it hard to credit that Dr. Seuss's work ever came close to
> breaking
> >> the constraints of the alphabet.
> >>
> >> It would be like calling Shakespeare a free verser every time he used
> >> catalexis.
> >
> > just a little joke there...
> >
> > on the other hand, Olson has an essay on Shakespeare that's very
> > interesting....
> >
> > I take Catherine's points seriously. There are some poets for whom the
> trad
> > forms are freeing, & lead to relevation, but for many they do not (not to
> > say that just writing another free verse lyric so conventionalis any
> > better).
> >
> > But I will stick with Creeley's take on that, & also (although it's for
> > prose too) Delany's ('Put in opposition to "style," there is no such
> thing
> > as "content.")
> >
> > Okay, I love aphoristic takes...
> >
> > Doug
> > Douglas Barbour
> > [log in to unmask]
> >
> > http://www.ualberta.ca/~dbarbour/ <http://www.ualberta.ca/%7Edbarbour/>
> >
> > Latest books:
> > Continuations (with Sheila E Murphy)
> > http://www.uap.ualberta.ca/UAP.asp?LID=41&bookID=664
> > Wednesdays'
> >
> http://abovegroundpress.blogspot.com/2008/03/new-from-aboveground-press_10.html
> >
> > because I want to die
> >
> > writing Haiku
> >
> > or, better,
> >
> > long lines, clean and syllabic as knotted bamboo. Yes!
> >
> > Phyllis Webb
> >
>
>
>
> --
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> Blog: http://theatrenotes.blogspot.com
> Home page: http://www.alisoncroggon.com
>
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