Thanks, Les. This is more as I thought. Perhaps the best thing I could 
do is install and play with the software :-)


Talat

On 23/06/2010 10:12, Leslie Carr wrote:
>  Sorry to confuse!
>
>  The EPrints/CERIF support is a deliverable of the Readiness for REF project (ongoing), which is being led by Kings College. In the various meetings that we have held, it has become apparent that there is a large appetite for a joint repository+CRIS functionality, and so EPrints is being extended to provide the same facilities for Research Projects, People and Organisations in that it currently offers for Research Outputs. In other words you will be able to import/export/edit/search/display and provide views on collections of projects, just like you can for publications.
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>  Les Carr
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>  On 23 Jun 2010, at 10:05, Talat Chaudhri wrote:
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>>  With the greatest respect for EPrints and yourself, Les, can it reallyclaim to offer CRIS functionality *out of the box* at the present time? I don't see that it is an impossible leap to do so by any means, and underlying them both are just databases (although the nature of the interfaceis clearly important as well in terms of being used to manage research projects from the point of production, so I'd put it slightly more cautiously than you do). However, I would expect a good deal more in terms of management of data about research projects, including the ability to link complex financial and staffing information with granular permissions over individual parts of the data (some of which may obviously be personal and/or sensitive) than I see the bulk of EPrints repositories managing at present. If EPrints really does handle CERIF and such granular permissions over the management of data *out of the box* (a point which I can't stress enough), then I'd welcome that wholeheartedly, and I'd encourage further developments in that direction. But we mustn't play with definitions ifthat is not (yet) so, which risks confusing the issue at hand.
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>>  I'd be grateful if you could clarify what CERIF support EPrints is either shipped with or can be leveraged to support (hopefully easily - and how?), and also whether or not sufficiently granular permissions can be managed over individual parts of records and/or linked data in the way thatI have described above. That would be extremely helpful to have a clear statement about.
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>>  Thanks,
>>
>>
>>  Talat
>>
>>  On 22/06/2010 21:42, Leslie Carr wrote:
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>>>  On 22 Jun 2010, at 14:02, David Kane wrote:
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>>>>  If we ourselves are unclear as to the relative merits of CRISs and/or
>>>>  OA repositories, then it is likely that university research
>>>>  departments may be the same.
>>>>
>>>>  I can see a time when the functionality of the OA repository will be
>>>>  offered by CRIS vendors, managed by the research offices in all
>>>>  universities.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>  Well, they are both just databases, aren't they ??? :-)
>>>
>>>  I think repositories and CRISes are complementary, although some vendors may choose to provide a conjoined product (cough, EPrints, cough). However, it is worth bearing in mind that repositories have come a long wayin the decade since they were conceived. Managing, curating, preserving and reusing content via a range of services is quite a considerable job. I believe that some of the monolithic CRIS systems are currently re-architecting themselves to be able to function in a complex environment where different aspects of research information environment are disbursed amongdifferent systems. And so I think that repository (managing research content) will likely stay a specialist function that a CRIS (managing research metadata) will seek to interoperate with.
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