I know Tim. I find very 'clunky' to try to express it for that very reason.
On 23 April 2010 09:42, Tim Allen <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> There are many in the avant-garde who would still argue with that David,
> especially the older ones. Many though wouldn't know what you are talking
> about - I'm quite serious about that - they just wouldn't get the
> connection. Some wouldn't even know there ever was a connection.
>
> Cheers
>
> Tim A.
>
> On 23 Apr 2010, at 06:29, David Bircumshaw wrote:
>
> (revised version)
>>
>> I find the perspective my eye-glass gives is one where politics that
>> doesn't
>> primarily act on behalf of the markets and corporate interests, having
>> been
>> excised from effective political life in most Western countries, is now
>> slowly and insiduously dropping out of the vocabulary of its artistic and
>> intellectual life, as more and more people come to the fore who are only
>> interested in developing careers for themselves, reflecting in a weak way
>> the money and fame culture that the masses (that's all of us, by the way)
>> are bombarded with from childhood on. So in that perspective far right
>> movements become ominously full of potential, as the left is abandoned as
>> being out of date, an old hat nobody but old jeremiad- throwing hysterics
>> like Chomsky would wear. This is why the distinction between avant-garde
>> and
>> mainstream has become just one of style in many cases: both ways culture
>> of
>> are now commodified, hunting grounds for careerists. In most cases the
>> socio-political differences are void.
>>
>> On 23 April 2010 06:23, David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I find the perspective my eye-glass is one where politics that doesn't
>>> primarily act on behalf of the markets and corporate interests, having
>>> been
>>> excised from effective political life in most Western countries, is now
>>> slowly and insiduously dropping out of the vocabulary of its artistic and
>>> intellectual life, as more and more people come to the fore who are only
>>> interested in developing careers for themselves, reflecting in a weak way
>>> the money and fame culture that the masses (that's all of us, by the way)
>>> are bombarded with from childhood on. So in that perspective far right
>>> movements become ominously full of potential, as the left is abandoned as
>>> being out of date, an old hat nobody but old jeremiads like Chomsky would
>>> wear.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 23 April 2010 03:46, Uche Ogbuji <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Alison Croggon <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I never claimed the Age gloried in great prose writers, or even
>>>>> thinkers. Just offering it up as an aside.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Fair enough. I just think that sometimes commentators overreact to what
>>>> is
>>>> indeed an phenomenon with some ugly characteristics, and that
>>>> perspective
>>>> actually helps lessen the power of the worst bits.
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> David Bircumshaw
>> "A window./Big enough to hold screams/
>> You say are poems" - DMeltzer
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>
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You say are poems" - DMeltzer
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