There are many in the avant-garde who would still argue with that
David, especially the older ones. Many though wouldn't know what you
are talking about - I'm quite serious about that - they just wouldn't
get the connection. Some wouldn't even know there ever was a connection.
Cheers
Tim A.
On 23 Apr 2010, at 06:29, David Bircumshaw wrote:
> (revised version)
>
> I find the perspective my eye-glass gives is one where politics that
> doesn't
> primarily act on behalf of the markets and corporate interests,
> having been
> excised from effective political life in most Western countries, is
> now
> slowly and insiduously dropping out of the vocabulary of its
> artistic and
> intellectual life, as more and more people come to the fore who are
> only
> interested in developing careers for themselves, reflecting in a
> weak way
> the money and fame culture that the masses (that's all of us, by the
> way)
> are bombarded with from childhood on. So in that perspective far right
> movements become ominously full of potential, as the left is
> abandoned as
> being out of date, an old hat nobody but old jeremiad- throwing
> hysterics
> like Chomsky would wear. This is why the distinction between avant-
> garde and
> mainstream has become just one of style in many cases: both ways
> culture of
> are now commodified, hunting grounds for careerists. In most cases the
> socio-political differences are void.
>
> On 23 April 2010 06:23, David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
>> I find the perspective my eye-glass is one where politics that
>> doesn't
>> primarily act on behalf of the markets and corporate interests,
>> having been
>> excised from effective political life in most Western countries, is
>> now
>> slowly and insiduously dropping out of the vocabulary of its
>> artistic and
>> intellectual life, as more and more people come to the fore who are
>> only
>> interested in developing careers for themselves, reflecting in a
>> weak way
>> the money and fame culture that the masses (that's all of us, by
>> the way)
>> are bombarded with from childhood on. So in that perspective far
>> right
>> movements become ominously full of potential, as the left is
>> abandoned as
>> being out of date, an old hat nobody but old jeremiads like Chomsky
>> would
>> wear.
>>
>>
>> On 23 April 2010 03:46, Uche Ogbuji <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Alison Croggon
>>> <[log in to unmask]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I never claimed the Age gloried in great prose writers, or even
>>>> thinkers. Just offering it up as an aside.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Fair enough. I just think that sometimes commentators overreact
>>> to what
>>> is
>>> indeed an phenomenon with some ugly characteristics, and that
>>> perspective
>>> actually helps lessen the power of the worst bits.
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> David Bircumshaw
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>
>
>
> --
> David Bircumshaw
> "A window./Big enough to hold screams/
> You say are poems" - DMeltzer
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