That was the sentence that struck me too. It reduces me to wtf?
Tim, I think that it's perilous to draw a parallel between the visual
art world, which is driven and distorted by insane market forces -
surely one of the funniest articles of the past month was that one
about the arguments over the authenticity of Duchamp's Fountains,
which sell for squillions - and poetry, which is markedly not. But I
guess it depends which nullity you wish to speak of. I also think
there are a lot of artists (of whatever disciplines) addressing those
questions quite seriously without having to slam doors shut so they
can hide in the past.
xA
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 8:49 PM, cris cheek <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> HI Tim, Jeffrey,
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> ok, dumb was and is a poor choice of word. I'll gladly accept the friendly
> amendment to simplistic.
>
> My favorite sentence Adam's piece: "I like WIlliams, don't get me wrong, but
> I do think he opened some doors that might have best been left shut."
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> xx
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> cc
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> On Apr 12, 2010, at 6:11 AM, Tim Allen wrote:
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>> I think this is unfair cris. It's not dumb - just because it might be
>> saying something you find problematic. It is simplistic, yes, but it
>> does point to something a lot of people think, and I for one think,
>> with regards to Baudrillard, that there is a point there to be
>> answered - and maybe those of us within poetry might be in a better
>> position to answer it than the art community -of which, as you know, I
>> don't have high opinions. I know we won't agree on this. Modern
>> artists who take the banal (their own concept of the 'everyday') and,
>> via shallow knowing and tracking processes that can be learnt in 5
>> minutes by 'good' students, turn it into their sacramental framed
>> property, to which we have to kneel, are not going to take kindly to
>> what Baudrillard says.
>>
>> Tim A.
>>
>> On 11 Apr 2010, at 16:53, cris cheek wrote:
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>>> dumb piece
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>>> On Apr 11, 2010, at 11:46 AM, Jeffrey Side wrote:
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>>>> I thought this old blog post by Adam Fieled might start a
>>>> discussion here, so here it is:
>>>>
>>>> "baudrillard, the cospiracy of poetry, or how to put duchamp's
>>>> urinal back in the bathroom"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://adamfieled.blogspot.com/2006/02/baudrillard-cospiracy-of-poetry-or-how.html
>
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