Yes, it would be between those, Max. I especially like the second one :)
On 29 March 2010 09:22, Max Richards <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> crikey, Dave,
>
> would this be between
>
> by and of
>
> and
>
> Majorca and Alfonso
>
> ?
>
> do offer some guidance...
>
> Max
>
> Quoting David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]>:
>
> > High among my favourite elisions are those in the last two lines of
> Hopkins'
> > sonnet "In honour of St Alphonsus Rodriguez":
> >
> > 'Those years and years by of a world without event
> > That in Majorca Alfonso watched the door'
> >
> > On 28 March 2010 23:20, Max Richards <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > ah yes elisions, thanks for helpful suggestions.
> > > Max
> > >
> > > Quoting Robin Hamilton <[log in to unmask]>:
> > >
> > > > > and this couplet disconcerts me, making me wonder if it has been
> > > > > transcribed
> > > > > correctly.
> > > > >
> > > > > Max
> > > >
> > > > I checked the original 1616 publication of the text, Max, and here's
> how
> > > the
> > > > relevant lines read there:
> > > >
> > > > They, then, that liuing where the matter is bred,
> > > > Dare for these poemes, yet, both aske, and read,
> > > > And like them too .
> > > >
> > > > ... so it looks as if the text dave originally posted is pretty
> accurate.
> > > >
> > > > For what it's worth, in line three there is a "the" elide marked:
> "If
> > > > workes (not th'authors) ."
> > > >
> > > > But there what's marked is an elided "the" followed by a vowel.
> > > >
> > > > One way or the other, it seems as if "the matter is bred" should be
> > > > pronounced with four rather than five syllables. But it's been
> suggested
> > > to
> > > > me that the elide may be on "matter is", which would then be have the
> > > phrase
> > > > pronounced something like, "the matt'ris bred" rather than the elide
> on
> > > "the
> > > > matter".
> > > >
> > > > Robin
> > > >
> > > > > Quoting David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]>:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Well I haven't yet unburied my Jonson, but pulling up the net, I
> like
> > > the
> > > > >> fittingness of this, accompanying Donne's Satires. Although the
> > > > >> enjambement
> > > > >> isn't as frequent as in the excerpt from the Horace translation,
> it's
> > > > >> distinct enough. And look at the caesuras and tempi.
> > > > >> It's not him at his best either, but typicality is better for
> examples
> > > > >> sake,
> > > > >> is it not?
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> To Lucy, Countess of Bedford, with John Donne's Satires by Ben
> Jonson
> > > > >> Lucy, you brightness of our sphere, who are
> > > > >> Life of the Muses' day, their morning star!
> > > > >> If works, not th' author's, their own grace should look,
> > > > >> Whose poems would not wish to be your book?
> > > > >> But these, desir'd by you, the maker's ends
> > > > >> Crown with their own. Rare poems ask rare friends.
> > > > >> Yet satires, since the most of mankind be
> > > > >> Their unavoided subject, fewest see;
> > > > >> For none e'er took that pleasure in sin's sense
> > > > >> But, when they heard it tax'd, took more offence.
> > > > >> They, then, that living where the matter is bred,
> > > > >> Dare for these poems, yet, both ask and read
> > > > >> And like them too, must needfully, though few,
> > > > >> Be of the best; and 'mongst those best are you,
> > > > >> Lucy, you brightness of our sphere, who are
> > > > >> The Muses' evening, as their morning star.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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