Sure, just keep track of how many sheep you count before
falling asleep. That will give you a precise fix on how conscious
you were.
Or, count the zees to get a fix on how unconscious you were.
Hal
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On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Mark Weiss <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Surely it's possible to arrive at an objective, testable taxonomy for
> consciousness.
>
>
> At 02:40 PM 3/16/2010, you wrote:
>
>> Yes, Doug, it's a cloudy 'answer', but a smoky nebulous drifting sense is
>> more the likeness of consciousness, and these questions that touch on the
>> nature of poetry and how we encounter it always twist in the mirror. What
>> is
>> poetry eludes us and becomes a metaphor for what is consciousness, which
>> also escapes definition.
>>
>> On 16 March 2010 14:56, Douglas Barbour <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> > That's a good way of putting it, Dave. I've just been participating in a
>> > discussion on Facebook, where I was agreeing more or less with Roger Day
>> > about the importance of the Pound-Williams line, as opposed to Eliot,
>> > especially the elder Eliot, yet the person who started the discussion
>> was
>> > more interested in a different tradition (& the discussion had problems
>> in
>> > defining what it was each individual was looking for: Roger & I were
>> > interested in what we could learn, as writers, from the poets we
>> admired
>> > so, others were simply interested in what they read for a complex
>> pleasure,
>> > which we also sought). So, back to Sheila's & your points, etc....
>> >
>> > I mean, I then went & got my Collected Olson & enjoyed n afternoon
>> > rereading some of the great poems that continue to men so much to
>> me...(many
>> > would go elsewhere).
>> >
>> > Doug
>> >
>> > On 13-Mar-10, at 3:48 AM, David Bircumshaw wrote:
>> >
>> > I think the 'answer' as far there is one is that there's a constant
>> >> unconscious dialogue between what we have read and what is new to us
>> and
>> >> this is prior to the magisterial essay-moment of judgement. It's
>> >> comparable
>> >> to how relationship networks form: a constant threading of like and
>> >> dislike,
>> >> attraction and aversion, as well as the facts of necessity.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Douglas Barbour
>> > [log in to unmask]
>> >
>> > http://www.ualberta.ca/~dbarbour/ <http://www.ualberta.ca/%7Edbarbour/>
>> >
>> > Latest books:
>> > Continuations (with Sheila E Murphy)
>> > http://www.uap.ualberta.ca/UAP.asp?LID=41&bookID=664
>> > Wednesdays'
>> >
>> >
>> http://abovegroundpress.blogspot.com/2008/03/new-from-aboveground-press_10.html
>> >
>> > The secret
>> >
>> > which got lost neither hides
>> > nor reveals itself, it shows forth
>> >
>> > tokens.
>> >
>> > Charles Olson
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> David Bircumshaw
>> "A window./Big enough to hold screams/
>> You say are poems" - DMeltzer
>> Website and A Chide's Alphabet
>> http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk
>> The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/david.bircumshaw
>> twitter: http://twitter.com/bucketshave
>> blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com/
>>
>
> Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry (University of
> California Press).
> http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland
>
> "Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's Random House Book of
> Twentieth Century French Poetry has a bilingual anthology so effectively
> broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside the United States and also
> created a superb collection of foreign poems in English. There is nothing
> else like it." John Palattella in The Nation
>
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