Surely it's possible to arrive at an objective, testable taxonomy for
consciousness.
At 02:40 PM 3/16/2010, you wrote:
>Yes, Doug, it's a cloudy 'answer', but a smoky nebulous drifting sense is
>more the likeness of consciousness, and these questions that touch on the
>nature of poetry and how we encounter it always twist in the mirror. What is
>poetry eludes us and becomes a metaphor for what is consciousness, which
>also escapes definition.
>
>On 16 March 2010 14:56, Douglas Barbour <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> > That's a good way of putting it, Dave. I've just been participating in a
> > discussion on Facebook, where I was agreeing more or less with Roger Day
> > about the importance of the Pound-Williams line, as opposed to Eliot,
> > especially the elder Eliot, yet the person who started the discussion was
> > more interested in a different tradition (& the discussion had problems in
> > defining what it was each individual was looking for: Roger & I were
> > interested in what we could learn, as writers, from the poets we admired
> > so, others were simply interested in what they read for a complex pleasure,
> > which we also sought). So, back to Sheila's & your points, etc....
> >
> > I mean, I then went & got my Collected Olson & enjoyed n afternoon
> > rereading some of the great poems that continue to men so much to
> me...(many
> > would go elsewhere).
> >
> > Doug
> >
> > On 13-Mar-10, at 3:48 AM, David Bircumshaw wrote:
> >
> > I think the 'answer' as far there is one is that there's a constant
> >> unconscious dialogue between what we have read and what is new to us and
> >> this is prior to the magisterial essay-moment of judgement. It's
> >> comparable
> >> to how relationship networks form: a constant threading of like and
> >> dislike,
> >> attraction and aversion, as well as the facts of necessity.
> >>
> >
> > Douglas Barbour
> > [log in to unmask]
> >
> > http://www.ualberta.ca/~dbarbour/
> >
> > Latest books:
> > Continuations (with Sheila E Murphy)
> > http://www.uap.ualberta.ca/UAP.asp?LID=41&bookID=664
> > Wednesdays'
> >
> >
> http://abovegroundpress.blogspot.com/2008/03/new-from-aboveground-press_10.html
> >
> > The secret
> >
> > which got lost neither hides
> > nor reveals itself, it shows forth
> >
> > tokens.
> >
> > Charles Olson
> >
>
>
>
>--
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