I find it very interesting to see some of the most recent views on
this.
I think I would dispute the use of both terms, patient and treatment. I
don't consider indiviudals I see as my 'patient' and in the majority of
situations I am not reposnible for 'treating' them. I don't agree that
immunisation programmes should even be considered as treatment.
In a hospital setting the failure of staff to attend for immunisation
programmes is not my responsibility. It is they who are putting
themselves and the patients they care for at risk not me and managers
have a reposibility to ensure staff attend. All I need to demonstrate
is that I have taken reasonable measures to advise them of this. I am
there to facilitate and provide advise on immunisations which protect
both the indiviudal and/or the patients in their care, not to take the
responsibility away from grown ups to comply with health and safety and
infection control policies.
Beverley Griggs
Senior OHA/Manager
Occupational Health Service
Guernsey Health and Social Services Department
Tel: 01481 707715
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Behalf Of Joanne Clayton
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The Code says that we must do everything we can to get the patient to
agree to tretment that is recommended. As long as we can prove (document
document
document!) that we have done evrything we can we will be supported.
Jo
Frank Oakes <[log in to unmask]>@JISCMAIL.AC.UK on 12/03/2010 09:45:49
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We also have a professional duty to protect our patients and if failure
to attend immunisation programmes could potentially put our patients at
risk then we are failing in that duty. Can't remember the section of
the code of conduct but it is there in black and white.
In my experience if they fail to attend 2 appointments a letter is sent
to their manager/ matron. They normally attend pretty quickly after
that.
Frank
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Sent: 12 March 2010 09:35
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From: Vicky Wells [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 12 March 2010 09:19
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Subject: RE: [OCC-HEALTH]
Hi Sharon
In the NHS we view habitual non-attendance or refusal to have any
vaccinations required occupationally as a contractural issue . Under
HSWA all employees are obliged to co-operate with their employer in the
use of safe systems of work. This would include Hep B. As for MMR and
Varilix this is more for patient protection and probably would not be
such an issue in your environment.
Regards
Vicky Wells
OH Nurse Adviser
Hinchingbrooke NHS Trust
From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
Behalf Of Maggie
Sent: 11 March 2010 20:09
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Subject: [OCC-HEALTH]
Hi Sharon
Re: non attendance for vaccination
Is it stipulated that it is a contractual requirement that they attend?
Is the reminder letter copied to their manager? Is it possible to
charge them if they do not cancel the appointment with enough notice for
you to use the appointment time?
A signed opt out could also be considered but obviously only after all
clients receive relevant information relating to the vaccine and the
risk to their health if they do not attend for vaccination. There also
comes a time if you have exhausted all avenues that as adults they do
need to take personal responsibility.
MP
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Can I ask initially NHS colleagues and then anyone who can offer
suggestions how t hey deal with habitual non attendance for
vaccinations? I have a "hit list" of a fair few people who dont attend
for their hep B appointments despite a variety of interventions, we
train them on induction, we offer appts we sent out reminders,
information updates, notices to staff, remind them again blah blah blah.
Is there a point that you give up? In my world not quite the same of
health worker undertaking exposure prone work - the risks to our staff
are through search procedures and undertaking C&R. However HSE having a
big push on issues within HMPS and one of their pet subjects is
vaccination. I really dont want to get heavy handed but feel that I
might have to if there is this consistant ignoring all attempts to get
them to attend. Any suggestions?
Sharon Naylor
HMPS Occupational Health Advisor
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