I think you've hit it on the head, David.
On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 14:13:43 +0000, David Bircumshaw
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>Oh drop 'mainsteam' - the problem is a poetry of perception and
>relationships, dependent on furnishings from the realist novel, in a
>circumscribed language, in many ways a language of the professional
middle
>classes. It isn't that the best poets of the 17th century or of the
>Romantics or High Modernism or post WWII USA were innately more
gifted
>necessarily, it's just that they threw more into their language, and had
>wider themes.
>The limited language happens in much of the Brit avant-garde too.
>
>There question of why this is so is another matter, but it's a
>self-perpetuating situation. There's no need to invoke Larkin as the
>presiding bogeyman, or anyone, its roots are in British society itself.
>
>(ps Rob - I think you're getting lists crossed in parts of your message)
>
>On 8 March 2010 13:15, Robin Hamilton
<[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>
>> Also there's the mainstream and the mainstream.
>>
>> In the wake of Jamie quite rightly accusing me of not having read
any
>> Armitage other than the poem at issue between Jamie on one side,
and Mark
>> and the Birk and I on the other, and after looking at a couple of
Simon
>> Armitage's poems online, back in the UK I reuinited myself with my
unread
>> copy of the Penguin S'lected Simon Armitage.
>>
>> Quite simply, Jamie's right, and Armitage is the inheritor of Hardy
and
>> Fenton. Who would have thought this given the way people talk
about him?
>>
>> Odd that but, and teach me to indulge in glib stereotyping.
>>
>> (With an apology to Desmond there in the background -- if chris and
Andrew
>> like your posts, I shouldn't dismissing those missives quite so glibly.
>> Though I still think you go on at too much length, and Judy's advice
to cut
>> back to two verbs and a noun is to be heeded.
>>
>> On the other hand, I still wish I hadn't managed to lose one of your
posts
>> on Ogham before I digested it.)
>>
>> Robin
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* JAMIE MCK <[log in to unmask]>
>> *To:* [log in to unmask]
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 08, 2010 6:11 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: Infinite Difference, sampler no. 8
>>
>> Tim,
>> I'm also busy this week, and far away from my own computer, so
I'm
>> slightly relieved to leave these questions in suspension. Maybe to
be
>> resumed later,
>> best
>> Jamie
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Tim Allen <[log in to unmask]>
>> *To:* [log in to unmask]
>> *Sent:* Monday, 8 March, 2010 10:18:13
>> *Subject:* Re: Infinite Difference, sampler no. 8
>>
>> Jamie,
>>
>> Which Jamie is this? No matter.
>>
>>
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