Hi folks
Some comments on this;
I would be cautious about assuming that people will be willing or able to
be transferred in an evac chair, or in a sling. The process of transferring
from their own wheelchair into these devices is uncomfortable, and
potentially dangerous for some people, depending on their disability. This
kind of transfer would normally be carried out by trained medical staff, so
you would need to ensure that any staff responsible for these transfers are
trained patient handling and manual handling. But even with that training,
don't assume that these devices will provide a solution for everybody.
There are also powered evacuation chair devices which will take a
wheelchair. The wheelchair user does not need to transfer out of their own
wheelchair to use these devices. Some of these can also travel upstairs,
which may be needed for basements. Big disadvantage is cost.
You may also want to consider using the existing lift, even without it
being upgraded to evacuation lift status. While we've all been drilled in
'Do not use the lift in case of emergency' for a generation, this is not an
absolute rule. Using a standard lift has risks attached, just as the
alternative methods of evacuation have risks attached. A risk assessment is
required to decide the best approach. The attached presentation from Derek
Smith of the UK's Lift and Escalator Industry Association (former technical
director of Otis Lifts UK) outlines the risks involved in this approach.
(See attached file: using lifts to escape DS UK.ppt)
Hope this helps
Shane
Shane Hogan
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Alan
Thanks for that it certainly looks to be a simpler and cheaper alternative
to an evac chair , I will discuss with the building management as cost is
as ever their biggest concern!
Kind Regards
Justin Ryan MSc MinstLM
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Hi again Justin
I don’t have any written evac plans but have been involved in assessing the
evacuation needs for individuals including involving their assistants,
parents, evacuation personnel etc. and advising on the best type of chair
(s) in specific circumstances. The main problem when the evacuee is
unknown though, such as in a public building, is whether the person is able
to transfer to an evacuation chair or not and in this regard we are
considering introducing “Promove” slings in conjunction with evacuation
chairs. These slings have been used by airlines to transfer individuals
from an aisle wheelchair to an aircraft seat and also at sports stadia to
evacuate casualties from difficult to reach areas between seating. The
sling is fairly easy to deploy and has handholds for up to (8? I think)
helpers. It is worth getting them along to give a demo because the sling
certainly appears to expand the possibilities and make evacuation chairs
more usable in more situations.
www.promove.uk.com
Regards
Alan Hunt
Access Officer
Pembrokeshire County Council
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Thanks for all the information regarding an evacuation lift that I will
certainly be taking up with the building owners, but I would also like to
hear from anyone who has seen in place a good/robust fire evac plan
catering for and involving everyone especially where the use of alternative
evac methods are required i.e. evac chair etc.
Kind Regards
Justin Ryan MSc MinstLM
Accessibility and Inclusion Manager
Southeastern,
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Canterbury East Station
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Hi Jane
I was referring specifically to the upgrading of a passenger lift to an
evacuation lift as per BS9999 not the use of passenger lifts in emergency
situations as per the very useful document you posted.
Regards
Alan
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Not sure that it needs to be isolated at each level. My understanding is
that a risk assessment should be able to establish where the source of the
fire is, where is the power supply, is It likely to affect the lift on any
level? If not, then you can use it. If the fire is in another zone to the
lift, why would it require a protected lobby, the zone is the lobby.
Regards Jane
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Justin
Not as such but as I understand it, it will need its own protected lobby at
each level to isolate it from the stair well to keep out smoke and fumes.
This is usually where the problems arise…. ie having sufficient space. For
info….. The new lift controls will disable the landing call buttons and
automatically return the lift it to the main exit level when the alarm is
activated. A responsible person then has to take control of the lift to
manage the evacuation, controlling the lift from within.
I ought to point out though that I am not an expert on evacuation lifts but
I have been involved in carrying out feasibilities to upgrade existing
lifts in our schools and other council buildings and have therefore carried
out a lot of research.
Alan
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Alan
The building I have in mind where this is an issue has the normal 4 lifts
in a lobby but also has a 5th lift which is in a lobby next to the rear
fire evac stairs so this wouldn’t necessarily be that difficult – does this
mean it doesn’t necessarily need any extra fire proofing to the shaft ( I
am sure it is in a normal , enclosed concrete lift shaft) and that no
special smoke exhaust system etc needs to be present?
Thanks
Kind Regards
Justin Ryan MSc MinstLM
Accessibility and Inclusion Manager
Southeastern,
Old Red Star Office
Canterbury East Station
Station Road East
Canterbury
Kent
CT1 2RB
F. 01233 617837
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Hi Justin
It is possible to upgrade passenger lifts to evacuation lift standard in
certain circumstances:
· The electronics in the lift and on the landings needs upgrading
and a communications system has to be installed…. this is usually fairly
simple to achieve.
· The lift must have a secondary, separate, independent power
supply – eg generator or separate main. This can usually be achieved.
· The lift must have a fireproof lobby, be associated with a
protected stairway and a have direct protected rout to exit. This can
prove difficult to achieve.
· The routes to the lift at each level will also need to be
looked at to make sure that safe travel distances can be achieved.
Regards
Alan
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