I fail to see how a formal application to a world leading university for 
support made by me can be furthered by taking the conference elsewhere. It 
is discourteous and unethical and will only embarrass me personally with my 
employers.

Incidentally I am British \ Australian and have worked in the US where I am 
at the moment. I am also an anthropologist.

And I have serious reservations about the figures quoted which look to me 
like profiteering. I would urge caution because I do not see altruism here.

Public institutions are supposed to have standards of governance. Mine has 
and is following them. You may draw your own conclusions about others.

On Mar 30 2010, prem saran wrote:

>Steve,
>
> As an anthropologist, I wonder whether the crossing of the wires here is 
> not partly cultural, viz. differences between N.American and Australian 
> styles of management/interaction on the one hand, and British/European on 
> the other.
>
> Thus, since everyone here surely has nothing but admiration for what your 
> colleagues and you have been doing, my feeling is that Ralph and Paul 
> have only been trying to contribute to the furtherance of your work....
>
>Prem
>
> 
>--- On Tue, 3/30/10, [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> From: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: 5th Art of Management UpDate - Academic Convenor Assistanc
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 8:04 AM
>> I do indeed have serious objections
>> to this.
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 30 2010, Ralph Kerle wrote:
>> 
>> >Hi Paul,
>> >
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> >
>> >This is a truly wonderful and timely offer.
>> >
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> >
>> >If there is no serious objections from other interested
>> parties over the
>> >
>> >next 24 hours, I seek permission and approval of the
>> AACORN network and the
>> >
>> > Art of Management 
>> > Conference's 
>> > stream convenors and presenters to commence
>> >
>> >working with John Molson School of Business, Concordia
>> University, Canada
>> >
>> >and Paul immediately so we can make this 5th Art of
>> Management Conference
>> >
>> >happen.
>> >
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> >
>> >Kind regards,
>> >
>> >
>> >Ralph
>> >
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> >
>> >Ralph Kerle
>> >
>> >
>> >Executive Chairman
>> >
>> >
>> >The Creative Leadership Forum
>> >
>> > <http://www.thecreativeleadershipforum.com/>
>> >
>> >www.thecreativeleadershipforum.com
>> >
>> >
>> >+61 29403 5327 m 0412 559 603
>> >
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> >   
>> > <http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=&key=1726879&trk=tab_proC:\Docu
>> >
>> >ments%20and%20Settings\Administrator\My%20Documents\Downloads>
>> linkedin
>> >
>> >Ralph Kerle on LInkedIn
>> >
>> >
>> > <https://twitter.com/creativematters>
>> Twitter_24x24Ralph Kerle on Twitter
>> >
>> >(@creativematters)
>> >
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> >
>> >From: Aesthetics, Creativity, and Organisations
>> Research Network
>> >
>> >[mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>> On Behalf Of Paul Shrivastava
>> >
>> >Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2010 12:48 PM
>> >
>> >To: [log in to unmask]
>> >
>> >Subject: 5th Art of Management UpDate - Academic
>> Convenor Assistanc
>> >
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> >
>> >Ralph
>> >
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> >
>> >On behalf of David O'Brien Centre for Sustainable
>> Enterprise, John Molson
>> >
>> >School of Business, Concordia University I can offer to
>> be the Academic
>> >
>> >Convener. Our Centre can provide academic support as
>> needed.  The Centre
>> >
>> >would need to be acknowledged as such, in all
>> conference related media and
>> >
>> >outputs.  
>> >
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> >
>> > The conference is in line with our goals of research
>> dissemination. I 
>> > would
>> >
>> >also propose to expand the conference audience to
>> include other
>> >
>> >"organization aesthetic" communities such as those
>> working in fields of
>> >
>> >graphic/product design, architecture, emotions,
>> organization/economics of
>> >
>> > crafts production, and others. Steve Taylor and I had
>> a fruitful 
>> > discussion
>> >
>> >in Banff last week, about mapping the various networks
>> in these areas.
>> >
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> >
>> >With Best Regards,
>> >
>> >
>> >paul S.
>> >
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> >
>> >Paul Shrivastava, Ph. D.
>> >
>> >
>> >David O'Brien Distinguished Professor of Sustainable
>> Enterprise, and
>> >
>> >
>> >Director, David O'Brien Center for Sustainable
>> Enterprise
>> >
>> >
>> >http://johnmolson.concordia.ca/sustainable
>> >
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> >
>> >John Molson School of Business
>> >
>> >
>> >Concordia University
>> >
>> >
>> >Mail: 1455 De Maisonneuve Blvd West, Suite MB 6-327
>> >
>> >
>> >Montreal, Quebec, H3G 1M8
>> >
>> >
>> >Ph. 514-848-2424 Ext 2367
>> >
>> >
>> >Fax. 514-848-4547
>> >
>> >
>> >Email: [log in to unmask]
>> >
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> >
>> >Office: MB 6-327, Molson Building, 1450 Rue Guy
>> >
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> >
>> >On Mar 29, 2010, at 7:06 PM, AACORN automatic digest
>> system wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >There are 5 messages totaling 1687 lines in this
>> issue.
>> >
>> >
>> >Topics of the day:
>> >
>> >
>> > 1. Accommodation Up Date - 5th Art of Management
>> Conference
>> >
>> > 2. Call for Stream Convenors and Where They are Up To
>> >
>> > 3. AMO  - AACORN-wiki
>> >
>> > 4. imagination lab award 2010
>> >
>> > 5. 5th Art of Management UpDate -  Academic
>> Convenor Assistance
>> >
>> >
>> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> >
>> >Date:    Mon, 29 Mar 2010 21:25:59 +1100
>> >
>> >From:    Ralph Kerle <[log in to unmask]>
>> >
>> >Subject: Accommodation Up Date - 5th Art of Management
>> Conference
>> >
>> >
>> >Hi Folks,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >The venue and accommodation details are now up at the
>> 5th Art of Management
>> >
>> >Conference web site.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >http://aom.eventbrite.com/
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >The venues recommended are those originally designated
>> as the 5th Art of
>> >
>> >Management Conference accommodation options and you can
>> click through
>> >
>> > directly to each one for full details and information
>> and to make a 
>> > booking.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >My apologies, Gokce, for not having realised Istanbul
>> was the European
>> >
>> >Capital for Culture in 2010. The venue looks absolutely
>> magnificent. Click
>> >
>> >through on the picture on the web site to learn about
>> the venue and the
>> >
>> >wonderful culture you will experience in Istanbul
>> during the conference. 
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Kind regards,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Ralph
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Ralph Kerle
>> >
>> >
>> >Executive Chairman
>> >
>> >
>> >The Creative Leadership Forum
>> >
>> ><http://www.thecreativeleadershipforum.com/>
>> >
>> >www.thecreativeleadershipforum.com
>> >
>> >
>> >+61 29403 5327 m 0412 559 603
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >   
>> > <http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=&key=1726879&trk=tab_proC:\Docu
>> >
>> >ments%20and%20Settings\Administrator\My%20Documents\Downloads>
>> linkedin
>> >
>> >Ralph Kerle on LInkedIn
>> >
>> >
>> ><https://twitter.com/creativematters>
>> Twitter_24x24Ralph Kerle on Twitter
>> >
>> >(@creativematters)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >------------------------------
>> >
>> >
>> >Date:    Mon, 29 Mar 2010 21:48:33 +1100
>> >
>> >From:    Ralph Kerle <[log in to unmask]>
>> >
>> >Subject: Call for Stream Convenors and Where They are
>> Up To
>> >
>> >
>> >Hi Folks,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Could all stream convenors, please forward to me
>> DIRECTLY VIA EMAIL on
>> >
>> >[log in to unmask]
>> a brief summary of where you are with
>> >
>> >approval and acceptance of papers for the 5th Art of
>> Management Conference
>> >
>> >so the conference organisers can 
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >1)      Have a full picture of where the
>> conference content stands at this
>> >
>> >point in time  
>> >
>> >
>> >2)      Start allocating the papers and
>> presentations in the programme.
>> >
>> >
>> >3)      Confirm with those who might
>> have already changed plans as a result
>> >
>> >of the conference cancellation and lack of
>> notification, they have been
>> >
>> >accepted.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I have had several emails from convenors being
>> uncertain about what to do 
>> > so
>> >
>> >I would like to resolve this as the next step as
>> quickly as possible.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >I suggest if I have a summary from each convenor as to
>> where they are, it
>> >
>> >will make Steve L's job much easier with the University
>> of York when he
>> >
>> >returns to the UK from the US this week.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Thanks for your assistance in this matter.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Kind regards,
>> >
>> >
>> >Ralph
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Ralph Kerle
>> >
>> >
>> >Executive Chairman
>> >
>> >
>> >The Creative Leadership Forum
>> >
>> ><http://www.thecreativeleadershipforum.com/>
>> >
>> >www.thecreativeleadershipforum.com
>> >
>> >
>> >+61 29403 5327 m 0412 559 603
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >   
>> > <http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=&key=1726879&trk=tab_proC:\Docu
>> >
>> >ments%20and%20Settings\Administrator\My%20Documents\Downloads>
>> linkedin
>> >
>> >Ralph Kerle on LInkedIn
>> >
>> >
>> ><https://twitter.com/creativematters>
>> Twitter_24x24Ralph Kerle on Twitter
>> >
>> >(@creativematters)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >------------------------------
>> >
>> >
>> >Date:    Mon, 29 Mar 2010 13:41:09 +0200
>> >
>> >From:    Jürgen Bergmann <[log in to unmask]>
>> >
>> >Subject: AMO  - AACORN-wiki
>> >
>> >
>> >Hi All,
>> >
>> >I had not accessed my e-mails since the last week!
>> >
>> >What wonderful news!!!
>> >
>> >Thanks to all this AACORN-motors!
>> >
>> >
>> >Perhaps our wiki-homepage could be of help? http://aacorn.wikispaces.com
>> >
>> >For exemple to share informations about streams, etc.
>> and everybody can
>> >
>> >participate by himself, so that Ralph, Ian, Céri,
>> Gokce, etc. must not do
>> >
>> >all the work themselfes!!!
>> >
>> >If I could be of any help in this way, I will be
>> disponible.
>> >
>> >
>> >I feel, this is a very important and constitutive step
>> for the
>> >
>> >AACORN-Network!
>> >
>> >It's great.
>> >
>> >
>> >Jürgen
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >----- Original Message ----- 
>> >
>> >From: Ralph Kerle 
>> >
>> >To: [log in to unmask]
>> 
>> >
>> >Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 12:48 PM
>> >
>> >Subject: Call for Stream Convenors and Where They are
>> Up To
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Hi Folks,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Could all stream convenors, please forward to me
>> DIRECTLY VIA EMAIL on
>> >
>> >[log in to unmask]
>> a brief summary of where you are with
>> >
>> >approval and acceptance of papers for the 5th Art of
>> Management Conference
>> >
>> >so the conference organisers can 
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >1)      Have a full picture of where the
>> conference content stands at this
>> >
>> >point in time  
>> >
>> >
>> >2)      Start allocating the papers and
>> presentations in the programme.
>> >
>> >
>> >3)      Confirm with those who might
>> have already changed plans as a result
>> >
>> >of the conference cancellation and lack of
>> notification, they have been
>> >
>> >accepted.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I have had several emails from convenors being
>> uncertain about what to do 
>> > so
>> >
>> >I would like to resolve this as the next step as
>> quickly as possible.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >I suggest if I have a summary from each convenor as to
>> where they are, it
>> >
>> >will make Steve L's job much easier with the University
>> of York when he
>> >
>> >returns to the UK from the US this week.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Thanks for your assistance in this matter.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Kind regards,
>> >
>> >
>> >Ralph
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Ralph Kerle
>> >
>> >
>> >Executive Chairman
>> >
>> >
>> >The Creative Leadership Forum
>> >
>> >www.thecreativeleadershipforum.com
>> >
>> >
>> >+61 29403 5327 m 0412 559 603
>> >
>> >
>> > Ralph Kerle on LInkedIn
>> >
>> >
>> >Ralph Kerle on Twitter (@creativematters)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >------------------------------
>> >
>> >
>> >Date:    Mon, 29 Mar 2010 11:06:14 -0400
>> >
>> >From:    Matt Statler <[log in to unmask]>
>> >
>> >Subject: imagination lab award 2010
>> >
>> >
>> >Hello Aacorners!
>> >
>> >
>> >It's been quite a flurry of activity on this discussion
>> list of late, 
>> >
>> >and I'm so happy to see the community rallying!
>> >
>> >
>> >Hearing all these great creative voices echoing has
>> reminded me to 
>> >
>> >remind you all that there's an open opportunity to gain
>> some recognition 
>> >and 12,000 CHF in donated support for artful
>> organizational scholarship 
>> >
>> >- namely, the Imagination Lab Foundation Award,
>> administered in 
>> >
>> >cooperation with EURAM. 
>> >
>> >At this point, the deadline is right around the corner,
>> but the 
>> >
>> >application process isn't too arduous, as you can see
>> at the following 
>> >
>> >site:
>> >
>> >
>> >http://www.euram-online.org/r/default.asp?iId=LHGJD
>> >
>> >
>> >I am happy to be serving with Henk Volberda and Joep
>> Cornelisson on the 
>> >
>> >selection committee this year, so I look forward to
>> reviewing the 
>> >
>> >applications!
>> >
>> >
>> >Best regards to all,
>> >
>> >-Matt
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Matt Statler, PhD
>> >
>> >Richman Family Director of Business Ethics and Social
>> Impact Programming
>> >
>> >Clinical Assistant Professor of Management and
>> Organization
>> >
>> >The Undergraduate College
>> >
>> >NYU Stern School of Business
>> >
>> >1-212-998-0586 (p)
>> >
>> >1-212-995-4000 (f)
>> >
>> >[log in to unmask]
>> >
>> >
>> >------------------------------
>> >
>> >
>> >Date:    Tue, 30 Mar 2010 09:57:02 +1100
>> >
>> >From:    Ralph Kerle <[log in to unmask]>
>> >
>> >Subject: 5th Art of Management UpDate -  Academic
>> Convenor Assistance
>> >
>> >
>> >Hi Folks,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Wow, from all the streams and papers I have seen - what
>> a conference this
>> >
>> >will be. The artists in particular have devised some
>> presentations in and
>> >
>> >around Istanbul itself that seem - well worthy of the
>> Venice/Istanbul
>> >
>> >Biennales, at least!! I can see where Ian, Ceri and
>> Jane were taking this
>> >
>> >event and I must say from an insider's position, it
>> looks very very
>> >
>> >exciting! Another level up from Banff!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >The important issue here though is many of these
>> project are reliant on the
>> >
>> >presenters or attendees receiving travel funds and
>> support from their
>> >
>> > respective institutions based on the conference having
>> an academic 
>> > convenor.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Steve Linstead has advised that his request for rapid
>> approval for academic
>> >
>> >convenor status at University of York has been deferred
>> to a Committee and
>> >
>> >he is concerned the approval may take time and there is
>> no certain outcome.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >So we are in need for this particular conference at
>> least of an institution
>> >
>> >that can provide us IMMEDIATELY with academic convenor
>> status so those with
>> >
>> >approved papers and are presenting can obtain funds and
>> come.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >From a University's commercial risk perspective, I can
>> advise the following
>> >
>> >(these are only straw figures) 
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Revenue - Total Estimate E55,000
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >We have 67 committed registrants (two more have arrived
>> whilst I am writing
>> >
>> > this) with clear indication of at least another 40 to
>> 50 in streams who 
>> > have
>> >
>> >not registered giving us at this stage estimated
>> 110  registrations.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >With an indicative conference fee (not yet agreed or
>> publicised) of E500
>> >
>> >estimated revenue is E55,000
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Costs - Total Estimate E32,000
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Fixed Costs 
>> >
>> >
>> >Venue - free of charge
>> >
>> >
>> >Conference Secretariat E5000
>> >
>> >
>> > Administration, Stationery, Computer Hire,
>> Communication and Support on 
>> > Site
>> >
>> >E5000
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Variable Costs 
>> >
>> >
>> >Food for the Conference E130 
>> >
>> >
>> >Internet Booking and Banking Fees E50 per delegate
>> >
>> >
>> >Printing and Stationary E40 per delegate.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Estimated Gross Profit E23,000
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Thus, the risk is absolutely negligible with the
>> potential for a newly
>> >
>> >formed entity for Art of Management Conferences to have
>> a nice lump sum in
>> >
>> >the bank to proceed in the future.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >On behalf of the 5th Art of Management Conference
>> stream convenors and
>> >
>> > presenters, I would now like to offer this opportunity
>> to the first 
>> > academic
>> >
>> >institution that can offer us this service.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >ACCORNers, right now,  this is the only impediment
>> to the conference
>> >
>> >proceeding.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Have we got a taker,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Kind regards,
>> >
>> >
>> >Ralph
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Ralph Kerle
>> >
>> >
>> >Executive Chairman
>> >
>> >
>> >The Creative Leadership Forum
>> >
>> ><http://www.thecreativeleadershipforum.com/>
>> >
>> >www.thecreativeleadershipforum.com
>> >
>> >
>> >+61 29403 5327 m 0412 559 603
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >   
>> > <http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=&key=1726879&trk=tab_proC:\Docu
>> >
>> >ments%20and%20Settings\Administrator\My%20Documents\Downloads>
>> linkedin
>> >
>> >Ralph Kerle on LInkedIn
>> >
>> >
>> ><https://twitter.com/creativematters>
>> Twitter_24x24Ralph Kerle on Twitter
>> >
>> >(@creativematters)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >------------------------------
>> >
>> >
>> >End of AACORN Digest - 28 Mar 2010 to 29 Mar 2010
>> (#2010-29)
>> >
>> >************************************************************
>> >
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> 
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