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Subject:

plagiarism

From:

Kathryn Evans <[log in to unmask]>

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Kathryn Evans <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 3 Mar 2010 14:45:13 -0800

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Yes, my email of 10:44 did go through about a half hour after the fact.

I've brought the files in from the garage, which include hardcopies of
emails sent to my thesis advisor, and some to thesis member, about how
poorly I felt Professor Shields was handling our interractions and how
uncomfortable I felt with that. We did not leave the arrangement on good
terms, so of course I kept the material evidence. Go figure.

For instance, I have a copy of my own rough draft page 55, Professor
Shield's recommended translation changes for page 55 based on my draft, and
my "final" translation of page 55 (which I believe I have retranslated since
then in later versions).

My transcription work is not in question, since Professor Shields had no
idea of how to decipher the manuscript hand and transcribe it into typed
Latin. He required me to show him how to transcribe the manuscript letters
to the typed Latin letter they represented! In hiring Professor Shields, I
did not expect to have to teach him! So, my own transcription of page 55 is
also attached to the above-mentioned translations----and all of them
attached to the email I sent to my thesis advisor and thesis member about
the concerns I was having over Professor Shield's contributions.

I also kept hard copies of the 20 versions! that my thesis went through:
178-pages including 17 pages of Works Cited & Consulted, and inumerable MLA
style citations within the thesis.

On the Acknowledgments page I thanked a former student of Professor Shields,
who I won't name here, for the Latin consultation he graciously did for me
on the very few pages of Latin that my thesis advisor and I agreed would be
included in the final thesis, as my translation versions still needed work.
The former Thomas Aquinas College student said words to the effect that the
College's vision of correct and appropriate interpretation was limited. The
former student was at the time a Ph.D. student I believe at Graduate
Theological Union in Berkeley, so I donated a copy of my completed thesis to
that library. He and I still correspond.

In the email correspondences I have copies of, I asked my thesis advisor
whether or not I should AGAIN ask Professor Shields to return ALL of the
materials I provided him with, since he only returned part of the materials.
My advisor's reply was to "Let sleeping giants sleep." In the email from
Professor Shields with the subject, "Beware Greeks even bearing gifts," he
said, "I do not think that I have failed to return to you anything that you
are entitled to" in answer to my repeated request that he return all of the
materials I provided him with. Also, Professor Shields repeatedly wrote down
inaccurate information about the details of our meetings, which I circled
and notated at the time. And the proof goes on from there. Not to mention
anecdotal information such as that, when I asked my husband how to proceed
terminating the strained interactions, he was very glad I was going to take
that course of action since he felt Professor Shields was "creepy."

By the way, I got a strange phone call from a man yesterday claiming to
represent a government agency that handles something to the effect of
character investigations; he recorded the conversation until I hung up on
him when he asked what name, or how to spell it, to send the donation form
to requesting donations for this expensive work that they undertake! That
combined with questions of plagiarism coming up on the FICINO listserv
reminded me of why I kept hard copies of all correspondences and versions of
my research. Again, go figure.

Quite frankly, it crossed my mind that I had the CHOICE of whether or not to
acknowledge Professor Shields on the Acknowledgements page of my thesis,
but in my judgment---based on our strained relationship and emails he had
sent me---I didn't think he would want his name associated with mine ever,
and especially in the context of my own interpretation of the De Magia
naturali and the history surrounding it. An email to my thesis advisor and
thesis member reads, "Since Larry has warned me not to 'harass' him 'on this
matter any further,' do you feel inclined to request the materials on my
behalf? Or shall we just let sleeping giants lay?" That was when my CSUSM
professor replied with the quote noted above.

And of course I have copies of the many correspondences between myself and
the curator of Columbia University's Rare Book and Manuscript Library,
including the last where she wholeheartedly grants "by full agreement with
all involved: we gave you a copy via interlibrary loan. It's fine." Which,
for some reason, I filed a copy of in this "Correspondence TAC Affair" file
I've been speaking of. I forwarded that email to my thesis advisor and
thesis member.

Afraid of the Catholic Church? You bet. Is fear a crime? an illicit
character trait?

Kathryn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kathryn Evans" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 11:17 AM
Subject: Witch Hunt


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kathryn Evans" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: "Kathryn Evans" <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 11:15 AM
> Subject: Witch Hunt
>
>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Kathryn Evans" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: "Kocku Von Stuckrad" <[log in to unmask]>; "Lee Irwin"
>> <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 11:13 AM
>> Subject: Witch Hunt
>>
>>
>>> Hi Kocku & Lee,
>>>
>>> I thought I would try emailing this to your addresses, since it has not
>>> showed up in my inbox to FICINO or to SASM.
>>>
>>> Kathryn
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Kathryn Evans" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: "FICINO: FICINO Discussion - Renaissance and Reformation Studies"
>>> <[log in to unmask]>; "Society for The Academic Study of Magic"
>>> <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 10:44 AM
>>> Subject: plagiarism
>>>
>>>
>>>> Never mind, I googled on his book and see that he's at U of Washington;
>>>> I've added his book to my long Amazon Wish List.
>>>>
>>>> It crossed my mind that he might be Professor Shields here at Thomas
>>>> Aquinas College! In 2005 I believe it was, I paid him handsomely to
>>>> edit a few folios of my work on the De Magia naturali. Unfortunately,
>>>> he seemed too hungry for the subject matter and kept going ahead of me
>>>> rather than working on what I'd done, saying excitedly that after it
>>>> was translated then we could start writing about it! He said that he
>>>> hadn't read any of the background materials I had shown him that I was
>>>> using to interpret the treatise. He said words to the effect that it
>>>> was a good thing the Jews keep the Bible for us, so that no one can
>>>> change it.
>>>>
>>>> We are such very different people that I thought it best not to
>>>> continue paying Professor Shields to edit my work. His house is
>>>> decorated very sparsely in tan tones, not colorful, with a crucifix
>>>> hanging over his front door as you walk in---or it was decorated that
>>>> way. I dress very colorfully, flambouyantly sometimes, and our house is
>>>> decorated that way too; many colorful paintings, rugs, photos, and
>>>> fetishes from all of the major religions I think and Neoshaman/Neopagan
>>>> fetishes too.
>>>>
>>>> The last time I saw Professor Shields was at Vons when I was
>>>> job-training our autistic son to work as grocery clerk-bagger. I
>>>> greeted Professor Shields warmly, complimenting his institution on
>>>> their beautiful new chapel I'd seen. He replied with words to the
>>>> effect, from outside right?. Yes, I reassured him. Ah well.
>>>>
>>>> So gentlemen, I have a file box in my garage with hard-copy
>>>> documentation of the transactions that took place between Professor
>>>> Shields and myself. Hopefully it won't magically disappear by "using
>>>> magic in doing academic work" before you have a chance to review it
>>>> should you be interested.
>>>>
>>>> Interesting also is that when I met Antoine Faivre at AAR in San Diego
>>>> during a Western Esotericism group session, he looked me up and down
>>>> and told me I should go to the New Religious Movements group.
>>>>
>>>> I had hoped that Neoshamans/Pagans would be welcome to study the Ficino
>>>> era of scholarly material, not just New Religious Movements.
>>>>
>>>> Are there any more questions gentlemen, or should I just leave the list
>>>> now and go back to my Pagan colleagues on the SASM listserv? Perhaps
>>>> you'd like me to answer a question on Anthropology?
>>>>
>>>> Kathryn
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Kathryn Evans" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:26 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: plagiarism
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hilmar, thank you for suggesting a literary piece. I don't know David
>>>>> Shields' work, but I'll put "Reality Hunger: A Manifesto" on my book
>>>>> wish-list. Is he an Inde or at an Institution?
>>>>>
>>>>> Kathryn
>>>>>
>>>>> Kathryn LaFevers Evans
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Hilmar Pabel" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:02 AM
>>>>> Subject: plagiarism
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Colleagues,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have discovered an instance of plagiarism in a late
>>>>>> sixteenth-century devotional text in which a Dutch Catholic writer
>>>>>> plagiarized a late Italian fifteenth-century writer who had been
>>>>>> executed for heresy. It made a good deal of sense, I imagine, for
>>>>>> the Catholic author not to reveal his source so as not to be seen as
>>>>>> fraternizing with the outcast.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From a quick scan of bibliographical references, I am sure plagiarism
>>>>>> was legion in the Renaissance and Reformation. I am wondering
>>>>>> whether plagiarism was considered as inappropriate then as we
>>>>>> consider it today. Erasmus defended himself against the charge of
>>>>>> plagiarism, I believe, when compiling his adages.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Could anyone recommend essential studies that address generally the
>>>>>> ethics and practice of plagiarism in the early modern period? I am
>>>>>> aware of Paulina Kewes, ed., Plagiarism in early modern England
>>>>>> (2003) and an essay by Giles Constable on "Forgery and Plagiarism in
>>>>>> the Middle Ages."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Finally, still on the topic of plagiarism, would anyone, esp.
>>>>>> colleagues in literary studies, recommend for serious attention David
>>>>>> Shields' new book, Reality Hunger: A Manifesto?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Originally yours,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hilmar Pabel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Hilmar M. Pabel
>>>>>> Department of History
>>>>>> Simon Fraser University
>>>>>> 8888 University Drive
>>>>>> Burnaby, BC
>>>>>> V5A 1S6
>>>>>> Canada
>>>>>> 778-782-5816 (phone)
>>>>>> 778-782-5837 (fax)
>>>>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>>>> www.sfu.ca/~pabel
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

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