crikey, Dave,
would this be between
by and of
and
Majorca and Alfonso
?
do offer some guidance...
Max
Quoting David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]>:
> High among my favourite elisions are those in the last two lines of Hopkins'
> sonnet "In honour of St Alphonsus Rodriguez":
>
> 'Those years and years by of a world without event
> That in Majorca Alfonso watched the door'
>
> On 28 March 2010 23:20, Max Richards <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > ah yes elisions, thanks for helpful suggestions.
> > Max
> >
> > Quoting Robin Hamilton <[log in to unmask]>:
> >
> > > > and this couplet disconcerts me, making me wonder if it has been
> > > > transcribed
> > > > correctly.
> > > >
> > > > Max
> > >
> > > I checked the original 1616 publication of the text, Max, and here's how
> > the
> > > relevant lines read there:
> > >
> > > They, then, that liuing where the matter is bred,
> > > Dare for these poemes, yet, both aske, and read,
> > > And like them too .
> > >
> > > ... so it looks as if the text dave originally posted is pretty accurate.
> > >
> > > For what it's worth, in line three there is a "the" elide marked: "If
> > > workes (not th'authors) ."
> > >
> > > But there what's marked is an elided "the" followed by a vowel.
> > >
> > > One way or the other, it seems as if "the matter is bred" should be
> > > pronounced with four rather than five syllables. But it's been suggested
> > to
> > > me that the elide may be on "matter is", which would then be have the
> > phrase
> > > pronounced something like, "the matt'ris bred" rather than the elide on
> > "the
> > > matter".
> > >
> > > Robin
> > >
> > > > Quoting David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]>:
> > > >
> > > >> Well I haven't yet unburied my Jonson, but pulling up the net, I like
> > the
> > > >> fittingness of this, accompanying Donne's Satires. Although the
> > > >> enjambement
> > > >> isn't as frequent as in the excerpt from the Horace translation, it's
> > > >> distinct enough. And look at the caesuras and tempi.
> > > >> It's not him at his best either, but typicality is better for examples
> > > >> sake,
> > > >> is it not?
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> To Lucy, Countess of Bedford, with John Donne's Satires by Ben Jonson
> > > >> Lucy, you brightness of our sphere, who are
> > > >> Life of the Muses' day, their morning star!
> > > >> If works, not th' author's, their own grace should look,
> > > >> Whose poems would not wish to be your book?
> > > >> But these, desir'd by you, the maker's ends
> > > >> Crown with their own. Rare poems ask rare friends.
> > > >> Yet satires, since the most of mankind be
> > > >> Their unavoided subject, fewest see;
> > > >> For none e'er took that pleasure in sin's sense
> > > >> But, when they heard it tax'd, took more offence.
> > > >> They, then, that living where the matter is bred,
> > > >> Dare for these poems, yet, both ask and read
> > > >> And like them too, must needfully, though few,
> > > >> Be of the best; and 'mongst those best are you,
> > > >> Lucy, you brightness of our sphere, who are
> > > >> The Muses' evening, as their morning star.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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