This blood into wine smacks of cannibalism to me!- but then if someone was supposed to be able to do the old Roman conjurers trick of turning water into wine -perhaps they could just serve up water -although the vintners lobby would be up in arms -and hopefully tap not that rip off bottled stuff
=ps was wondering must be tricky doing masses/ communion in space those space suits and things
P crabbed atheist ex altar boy
Or do they baptise in wine these days??
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From: Poetryetc: poetry and poetics [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ken Wolman
Sent: 08 February 2010 13:50
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Subject: Re: the sin-eater
Ken Wolman wrote:
> Judy Prince wrote:
>> I'm not getting why the Catholic church would insist that a person---any
>> person---must eat wheaten bread. What part of the Good Book did I miss?
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Judy
>>
>
> Judy, didn't you ever tell your kids "Because I said so"? So the RCC,
> *Catechism of the Catholic Church*, paragraph 1412: "The essential
> signs of the Eucharistic sacrament are wheat bread and grape wine, on
> which the blessing of the Holy Spirit is invoked and the priest
> pronounces the words of consecration spoken by Jesus during the Last
> Supper: "This is my body which will be given up for you.... This is
> the cup of my blood...." It's an unexplained "Because I said so." It's
> the flip-side of that hideous motto "WWJD?"
>
> There was a vicious legal battle in the Diocese of Trenton (NJ)
> several years ago in which the local priest refused communion to a
> 9-year-old girl because she was a coeliac. The case was escalated to
> the Bishop of Trenton, a man whose real name is John Smith. Bishop
> Smith upheld the paragraph above. He did not have an option, actually.
> It presumes that wheat was used to prepare the unleavened bread for
> the Seder that was the Last Supper. This is probably true. What got to
> everyone in the area out of shape was the unbending attitude. "She can
> receive the wine instead." The parents were properly aghast. "We're
> not letting our 9-year-old drink wine." No wheat, no bread, no
> Communion. No substitute wafers. No rice-cakes.
>
> What the parents did is not recorded, at least by me. They would not
> be the first to go over to the Episcopal or Lutheran Churches, which
> would surely allow Communion to a girl with that illness. Or they
> would not be the first to withdraw entirely from the institutional
> practice of faith. Wounds of that sort against a family are not easily
> forgiven, regardless of the rationale used to justify them.
>
> Short answer: "Because we said so."
>
> Ken
>
Mea maxima culpa, I defamed the priest in Brielle, NJ. He gave the girl
Communion. When it got out, the Bishop ripped him a new one. The parents
refused to knuckle under and appealed to Rome. Rome upheld the Bishop,
but not after some brutally mocking publicity that required dragging out
theological artillery to defend themselves. It turns out that a lot of
priests violate the rules and just keep quiet about it. I received
Communion at a retreat house in January 2006 and the Jesuit in question
used grape wine, not alcohol. I'm sure that's why I wound up in
DottyVille by the end of the year: the inexorable forces of retribution....
Ken
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