every anthology is incomplete
any pretension to completion must be viewed with derision
the Tuma anthology was just a slice, cut from particular angles in
particular lights, intended to spark discussion
;=)
cris
ps thanks for the direct quotation Peter.
On Feb 2, 2010, at 9:02 AM, David Lace wrote:
> I agree. His absense, however unavoidable, does make the anthology
> look incomplete.
>
>
>
> On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 13:28:08 +0000, JAMIE MCK
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> It's very heartening to see this statement of solidarity, and I only
> wish it had been more widely circulated.
> Even if, as Giles said, for the grandees of the press it might have
> had
> little significance, for the purposes of the anthology and its readers
> Prynne's absence was a resounding one.
> The rhetoric doesn't seem to me so much Churchillian as scrupulously
> considered - in both passages that Peter quotes. It would be good to
> see the whole letter.
> Jamie
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Peter Riley <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Tuesday, 2 February, 2010 9:53:01
> Subject: Re: Provocative Amazon customer review of Keith Tuma's
> Anthology of Twentieth-Century British and Irish Poetry
>
> JHP circulated a letter to a senior editor at OUP (NY) at the time,
> explaining his reasons for not wishing to be in the anthology. He
> spoke
> first of his dislike of educational anthologies as such, "because
> of the
> enrollment of a poet's work into a teaching apparatus" [i.e., a
> programmed presentation] which "must interfere with a vital aspect of
> personally free reading and discovery...." He went on:
>
> "But overriding each and every such consideration in this case is the
> aspect that this book is to be published by Oxford University Press. I
> know very well that the American branch of this imprint is
> virtually an
> independent operation, but it carries and trades under an illustrious
> name. That name must now in the field of contemporary British poetry
> and its publication by considered infamous."....
>
> PR
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2 Feb 2010, at 09:26, GILES GOODLAND wrote:
> I very much doubt that can be true. I have been in meetings with
> senior
> OUP staff who have never even heard of Bloodaxe or Carcanet. Whether
> Prynne appeared in an anthology or not, would not appear on their
> radar--a fact which I am sure Prynne would foresee.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: John Goodby <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Tuesday, 2 February, 2010 9:19:56
> Subject: Re: Provocative Amazon customer review of Keith Tuma's
> Anthology of Twentieth-Century British and Irish Poetry
>
> Wasn't Jeremy Prynne's refusal to be included something to do with the
> fact that Oxford UP, the publishers of the anthology, had recently
> abolished their poetry list en bloc? I was under the impression
> that it
> was a protest against their act of vandalism.
>
> All best,
>
> JOhn
> ---- Geraldine Monk <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> In any case this is a very old review written almost as soon as the
> book was out. I wonder David (hello) if you are misreading 2001 for
> 2010?
>> G.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: cris cheek
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 10:40 PM
>> Subject: Re: Provocative Amazon customer review of Keith Tuma's
> Anthology of Twentieth-Century British and Irish Poetry
>>
>>
>> In fact there's a mention of it at the end of Tuma's intro to the
> Anthology itself.
>>
>>
>> xx
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> cris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 1, 2010, at 4:06 PM, David Bircumshaw wrote:
>>
>>
>> Yes, Cris, that's it ...
>>
>>
>> On 1 February 2010 20:03, cris cheek <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi David,
>>
>>
>> that is my understanding of what happened too. In fact i
> remember being told that there had been extensive correspondence
> trying to persuade Jeremy to have his work represented but that Jeremy
> had said (at that time) that he was tired of anthologies . . . or
> something along those lines.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> xxx
>>
>>
>> cris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 1, 2010, at 2:54 PM, David Bircumshaw wrote:
>>
>>
>> I might be wrong on this, but I vaguely recall Keith Tuma
>> (then
> on this list) saying that Prynne declined an invitation for inclusion.
>>
>>
>> On 1 February 2010 14:26, David Lace <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> Provocative Amazon customer review of Keith Tuma's
> Anthology of
>> Twentieth-Century British and Irish Poetry (Paperback)
>>
>>
>> Quote:
>>
>> "This isn't "critical pluralism". It's an attempt to
>> canonize a
> postmodern
>> clique by juxtaposing their work with the likes of Seamus
> Heaney.
>>
>> Moreover, it isn't even a believeable anthology from a
> postmodern
>> standpoint. Where's J. H. Prynne? Excluding him is like
>> leaving
> John
>> Ashbery out of an anthology of modern American poetry."
>>
>>
>> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Anthology-Twentieth-Century-
>> British-
> Irish-
>> Poetry/dp/019512894X
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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