That's the accepted response, yes. Though I gues most anthologies
would see themselves as potentially canon influencing.
On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 09:15:48 -0500, cris cheek
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>every anthology is incomplete
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>any pretension to completion must be viewed with derision
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>the Tuma anthology was just a slice, cut from particular angles in
>particular lights, intended to spark discussion
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>cris
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>ps thanks for the direct quotation Peter.
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>On Feb 2, 2010, at 9:02 AM, David Lace wrote:
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>> I agree. His absense, however unavoidable, does make the
anthology
>> look incomplete.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 13:28:08 +0000, JAMIE MCK
>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> It's very heartening to see this statement of solidarity, and I only
>> wish it had been more widely circulated.
>> Even if, as Giles said, for the grandees of the press it might have
>> had
>> little significance, for the purposes of the anthology and its readers
>> Prynne's absence was a resounding one.
>> The rhetoric doesn't seem to me so much Churchillian as
scrupulously
>> considered - in both passages that Peter quotes. It would be good
to
>> see the whole letter.
>> Jamie
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>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Peter Riley <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Sent: Tuesday, 2 February, 2010 9:53:01
>> Subject: Re: Provocative Amazon customer review of Keith Tuma's
>> Anthology of Twentieth-Century British and Irish Poetry
>>
>> JHP circulated a letter to a senior editor at OUP (NY) at the time,
>> explaining his reasons for not wishing to be in the anthology. He
>> spoke
>> first of his dislike of educational anthologies as such, "because
>> of the
>> enrollment of a poet's work into a teaching apparatus" [i.e., a
>> programmed presentation] which "must interfere with a vital aspect
of
>> personally free reading and discovery...." He went on:
>>
>> "But overriding each and every such consideration in this case is the
>> aspect that this book is to be published by Oxford University Press. I
>> know very well that the American branch of this imprint is
>> virtually an
>> independent operation, but it carries and trades under an illustrious
>> name. That name must now in the field of contemporary British
poetry
>> and its publication by considered infamous."....
>>
>> PR
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2 Feb 2010, at 09:26, GILES GOODLAND wrote:
>> I very much doubt that can be true. I have been in meetings with
>> senior
>> OUP staff who have never even heard of Bloodaxe or Carcanet.
Whether
>> Prynne appeared in an anthology or not, would not appear on their
>> radar--a fact which I am sure Prynne would foresee.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: John Goodby <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Sent: Tuesday, 2 February, 2010 9:19:56
>> Subject: Re: Provocative Amazon customer review of Keith Tuma's
>> Anthology of Twentieth-Century British and Irish Poetry
>>
>> Wasn't Jeremy Prynne's refusal to be included something to do with
the
>> fact that Oxford UP, the publishers of the anthology, had recently
>> abolished their poetry list en bloc? I was under the impression
>> that it
>> was a protest against their act of vandalism.
>>
>> All best,
>>
>> JOhn
>> ---- Geraldine Monk <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> In any case this is a very old review written almost as soon as the
>> book was out. I wonder David (hello) if you are misreading 2001
for
>> 2010?
>>> G.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: cris cheek
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 10:40 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Provocative Amazon customer review of Keith Tuma's
>> Anthology of Twentieth-Century British and Irish Poetry
>>>
>>>
>>> In fact there's a mention of it at the end of Tuma's intro to the
>> Anthology itself.
>>>
>>>
>>> xx
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> cris
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 1, 2010, at 4:06 PM, David Bircumshaw wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, Cris, that's it ...
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1 February 2010 20:03, cris cheek <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi David,
>>>
>>>
>>> that is my understanding of what happened too. In fact i
>> remember being told that there had been extensive correspondence
>> trying to persuade Jeremy to have his work represented but that
Jeremy
>> had said (at that time) that he was tired of anthologies . . . or
>> something along those lines.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> xxx
>>>
>>>
>>> cris
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>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 1, 2010, at 2:54 PM, David Bircumshaw wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I might be wrong on this, but I vaguely recall Keith Tuma
>>> (then
>> on this list) saying that Prynne declined an invitation for inclusion.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1 February 2010 14:26, David Lace <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
>>>
>>> Provocative Amazon customer review of Keith Tuma's
>> Anthology of
>>> Twentieth-Century British and Irish Poetry (Paperback)
>>>
>>>
>>> Quote:
>>>
>>> "This isn't "critical pluralism". It's an attempt to
>>> canonize a
>> postmodern
>>> clique by juxtaposing their work with the likes of Seamus
>> Heaney.
>>>
>>> Moreover, it isn't even a believeable anthology from a
>> postmodern
>>> standpoint. Where's J. H. Prynne? Excluding him is like
>>> leaving
>> John
>>> Ashbery out of an anthology of modern American poetry."
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Anthology-Twentieth-Century-
>>> British-
>> Irish-
>>> Poetry/dp/019512894X
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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