You mean I have been keeping this pumpkin next to my desk for nothing?
I agree. I would be happy to put my name to this, it is just how are we going to do this
collectively?
Frank
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Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Nursing Career Framework
I am more then happy to add my name to Paul's email. Something needs to change or we will end up the
Cinderella service!
Rita
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Might be a good idea to all put our names to Paul's email so they are then aware of the strength of
feeling & that we are not all 'happy'. with the stance?
Regards
Amanda Savage BSc(Hons);SpPrac OH; RGN; DON; NEBOSH
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Dear all,
I just thought I'd share the speedy response from Chris Caldwell.
Best wishes
Paul
Paul D'Arcy
Clinical Nurse Leader
Occupational Health
Imperial College Healthcare NHS Trust
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Sent: 13 January 2010 17:16
To: Darcy, Paul
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Subject: Re: Nursing Career Framework
Hi paul
Thank you for your email
I am sorry that you are not happy with the visual
I have received hundreds of emails following its publication and your is the first which expresses
dissatisfaction. The design was developed through consultation and testing with several hundred
nurses across a number of the pathways - it were their ideas which led to its development in the way
it does
We did not do specific work with OH nurses to map careers and the prototype is only that - giving an
indication of some roles - it is not meant to be inclusive
The next phase to develop an interactive e-tool will enable us to include the full ranhe of roles
I am copying in colleagues who will be working with me to take this forward and we will bear your
comments in mind
In the mean time you may wish to think about with colleagues in OH how you might use it to promote
nad develop OH nursing careers - we would. E delighted to hear how you get on
Best wishes
Chris
Chris Caldwell
Programme Director
Modernising Nursing Careers
CNO Professional Leadership Team
Department of Health
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From: "Darcy, Paul" [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 13/01/2010 10:55 GMT
To: Chris Caldwell
Cc: Occupational Health mailing list" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Nursing Career Framework
Dear Chris,
I have just seen the framework prototype in the CNO bulletin and online at DH.gov.uk.
I largely like the prototype as it gives a very clear indication of the tremendous variety of
nursing career pathways. I do however have a couple of fundamental issues. Firstly, I believe the
model is flawed in it's basic structure and I wonder if it would have been better to start with the
junior nursing grades in the centre of the model with more advanced and specialist areas radiating
out of the centre. The career routes for experienced nurses are incredibly varied and many of these
possibilities are not shown. For example, the prototype doesn't show how one could become the Chief
Nursing Officer.
I also have a significant issue about the public health nursing segment of the model. I think this
area does not do any justice to my own area of practice, Occupational Health Nursing, and the model
seems to suggest it is subservient to health visiting and school and family nursing. Occupational
Health Nursing is a very important and highly specialised area of nursing practice with education
now commencing at degree level and increasingly at masters level. I am presently undertaking a
doctorate and the model does not have an appropriate area for progression within my practice arena
yet I am aware of many options open to me.
My main reason for flagging my concerns to you relate to the impression the model may give to nurses
considering careers in Occupational Health nursing or students or other nurses at the start of their
careers. I note that in the CNO bulletin that there was no mention of OH nurses participating in
the development of the model and I think this was a lost opportunity.
I would be grateful if my concerns could be noted. I would be happy to contribute to any future
discussion and development of the model if my opinion would be valued.
Kind regards
Paul D'Arcy
Clinical Nurse Leader
Occupational Health
Imperial College Healthcare NHS Trust
2nd Floor Hammersmith House
Hammersmith Hospital
Du Cane Road
London
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