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Meg Cormack mentioned it earlier, but those looking for Augustine's
discussion of the age of resurrected bodies can find it in De civitate
dei, XXII, ch.14-6:
http://www.intratext.com/IXT/LAT0395/__PHA.HTM
http://www.intratext.com/IXT/LAT0395/__PHB.HTM
http://www.intratext.com/IXT/LAT0395/__PHC.HTM
2010/1/8 Csaba Nemeth <[log in to unmask]>:
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> Meg,
> the leading locus is Eph 4:13, mentioning "mensura aetatis plenitudinis Christi." All depends on the interpretation of that mensura.
>
> Magister Hugo de S. Victore, as a considerable early scholastic author before Lombardus (and even later a lesser master),
> says that people will be resurrected in a form they had (or were to have) around yr 30. He makes no distinction between genders in this regard:
> "Restat ergo ut suam recipiat quisque mensuram, qualem habuit in juventute, etiam si senex est mortuus, vel fuerat habiturus, si ante est defunctus, ut nec ultra nec citra juvenilem formam resurgant corpora mortuorum, sed in ea aetate de robore usque ad quam Christum pervenisse cognovimus. Circa triginta quippe annos definierunt esse etiam saeculi hujus doctissimi homines juventutem, quae cum fuerit spatio proprio terminata inde jam hominem in detrimenta vergere gravioris ac sensualis aetatis..." (De sacramentis lib. 2 pars 17 cap. 18, PL 176: 605AB)
>
> But if someone insist that one will be resurrected in the form she/or/he died -- well, that energy-consuming controversy is to be avoided: "Si quis vero in eo corporis modo in quo defunctus est, resurrecturum unumquemque contendit, non est cum illo laboriosa contradictione pugnandum." ibid. cap. 19.
>
> The nice thing is how he invokes secular auctoritates for his opinion about 30ish years. Later scholastic authors were certainly more accurate, perhaps even introducing a division between women and men.
>
> Csaba Nemeth
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>
>>>> "Cormack, Margaret Jean" <[log in to unmask]> 01/07/10 12:52 AM >>>
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> This does bring up an interesting question. Elderly or not, I at some point also learned the number
> 33 - but it now occurs to me that this might have been only for males, and that females
> might be considered to have reached perfection a bit younger.
> Meg
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> ---- Ms B M Cook <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>> In any case, I presume even our medieval people didn't think dead children would be resurrected at age 33! ... (though nothing would suprise me...)
>>
>> This is EXACTLY the point made in "Pearl"! The Father encounters in a dream /vision his daughter who died as a child but the woman in his vision is an adult. He comments on this and the woman tells him, yes, it is so; she is his daughter.
>>
>> Still looking for the text!
>
> Presumably a young adult, rather than age 33 (which was quite elderly in those days!)
>
> The text is maddenly elliptical - he says 'more closely related to me than aunt or niece'. To me that suggests "sister" rather than "daughter".
>
> John Briggs
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