Crispin - there is something the matter with the way our HER (Tyne and
Wear)is being searched through Heritage Gateway - its not long gone live
on there.
This is worrying and needs sorting out.
We only have 12800 sites on the HER so we certainly haven't got over
11000 clearance cairns! In fact I don't think we have any!
I'll have have to get this looked into.
Jennifer
Jennifer Morrison BA (Hons), MA, MIfA
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-----Original Message-----
From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Chris Webster
Sent: 15 January 2010 13:48
To: Morrison, Jennifer
Subject: Re: Narrower Terms: Heritage Gateway behaviour
To confirm, the 130 cairn results in the Somerset HER do include all
with narrower terms. We don't show monument types or dates for the
reason that I mentioned before - we see terms as useful search terms not
a prescriptive 'the Somerset HER says this is a cairn'.
Anyway, surely it's not the behaviour of the heritage gateway that's
being tested in this instance but the behaviour of responding HERs. The
only influence the HG has is preventing you from entering a term that's
not in its list. If you try it says "Longtitude / Latitude was not
found." - possibly not what it should say!
Chris Webster
Somerset Historic Environment Record
Taunton Castle
Taunton
TA1 4AA
01823 255080
Visit the online HER at www.somerset.gov.uk/her
-----Original Message-----
From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Crispin Flower
Sent: 14 January 2010 15:10
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Narrower Terms: Heritage Gateway behaviour
Again while taking the SQL hatchet to records from Central Beds (sorry
Sam), I've investigated Heritage Gateway behaviour in this respect...
When you do a search for a term (such as CAIRN - sorry Chris)...
* Pastscape - returns records indexed with CAIRN or its narrow
terms.
* All HBSMR datasets - ditto.
* Lake District - returns only the specific term. CAIRN >> 28
records. RING CAIRN >> 88 records.
* Somerset - perhaps returns narrow terms, but cannot tell for
sure as the records do not reveal their monument types. Chris can you
confirm? Why no mon types shown (or am I being thick and blind!)?
* Tyne and Wear - possibly work in progress!?!? A search for
CLEARANCE CAIRN takes ages and returns >11000 records. Narrow terms,
parent terms, and unrelated terms ?
* Other (LB online etc) not tested.
The different behaviours are worrying - clearly this should be handled
in the same way by all, or users have no idea what they are getting as
results.
yours
Crispin
PS And Mark at Lincs has confirmed that the HBSMR Gateway finds records
with the complete set of child terms for (e.g. BRIDGE), and so does not
suffer the same problem that Phil has been helping to fix.
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