All this seems a little redundant as the HER should be mentioned as a planning tool, or similar, within the District/UA Local Plan/LDF. As the local plans and LDFs are approved by full cabinet, the councillors are therefore committing themselves to the running and maintenance of the HER.
Hugh
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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records on behalf of Chris Webster
Sent: Tue 26/01/2010 11:35
To: Winfield, Hugh
Subject: Re: Formal adoption of the HER
No, I'm not talking ceremonial counties. As I said, the LGA of 1973 (I think) which set up the uniform two tier system said that everywhere had to be in both a county and a district. This formalised some anomalies (such as Lundy whose presence in Devon, or even England, was previously in doubt). When Avon was abolished it was discovered that this clause had not been repealed and there was discussion about what to do. It was suggested that Avon county should live on (silently) but eventually decided that each Unitary should become a county and a district (to prevent the Avon Liberation Army having a focus?) to solve the problem. The County of Herefordshire District Council (a unitary) may expose this, or just be trying to keep everyone happy.
On the original question, we did formally adopt the SMR but I'm not sure it's really worth the paper it's written on. It's never been called into question and if the Heritage Bill ever becomes law, will be redundant anyway.
Chris Webster
Somerset Historic Environment Record
Taunton Castle
Taunton
TA1 4AA
01823 255080
Visit the online HER at www.somerset.gov.uk/her
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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of THOMAS, Roger M
Sent: 26 January 2010 10:20
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Subject: Re: Formal adoption of the HER
England is still covered by 'ceremonial counties' (each with a Lord Lieutenant), which were (re-)defined in 1997 (there is a useful list and map on Wikipedia). Perhaps that is what Chris is referring to? I'm not sure, though, that it helps with the GDPO issues.
Roger
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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Chris Webster
Sent: 26 January 2010 09:48
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Subject: Re: Formal adoption of the HER
I seem to recall that, by an oversight, the legislation that brought in unitaries omitted to repeal that part of the 1973 act that said that everywhere had to be in a district and a county. The work around was to establish an invisible county for each unitary 'district'. Whether the unitary council is also the county council may be another question...
Chris Webster
Somerset Historic Environment Record
Taunton Castle
Taunton
TA1 4AA
01823 255080
Visit the online HER at www.somerset.gov.uk/her
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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Chris Wardle
Sent: 26 January 2010 09:16
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Subject: Re: Formal adoption of the HER
So, my learned friend, where does this interpretation that speaks specifically of 'a county council, place an HER held by a Unitary Authority?
Regards
Chris
>>> "THOMAS, Roger M" <[log in to unmask]> 25/01/2010 18:04 >>>
Here is the actual wording of the relevant part of GPDO 1995 (Reg. (1) (2), 'Interpretation'):
"site of archaeological interest" means land which is included in the schedule of monuments compiled by the Secretary of State under section 1 of the Ancient Monuments and Archaeological Areas Act 1979 (schedule of monuments), or is within an area of land which is designated as an area of archaeological importance under section 33 of that Act (designation of areas of archaeological importance), or which is within a site registered in any record adopted by resolution by a county council and known as the County Sites and Monuments Record;
The Warwickshire CC resolution might do the trick, but actual use of the word 'adopted' in any resolution would probably be better. Of course, the GPDO refers to county councils and County SMRs. Where a CC has been replaced by a Unitary, the GDPO might be construed as meaning "a CC or its replacement". In any event, irrespective of the GDPO, formal adoption of the HER might be beneficial, in giving more weight to the HER?
Roger
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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of HOWARD, Bruce
Sent: 25 January 2010 17:42
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Subject: Re: Formal adoption of the HER
Posted on behalf of Ben Wallace
Sarah,
Warwickshire HER (or SMR as it was then) was formally adopted by Warwickshire County Council in 1995, I have the memo to prove it!
The memo says:
"Pursuant to Council Resolution of 18th July, I confirm that you and members of your staff supervised by you, are authorised to maintain and update the Warwickshire Sites and Monuments Record."
Whether this is in accordance with the Town and County Planning Order of 1995 I am not sure. Does anyone know?
Ben
Ben Wallace
(Historic Environment Record Manager)
BA (EU) Hons, MA, AIfA
Archaeology Information and Advice
Warwickshire Museum,
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