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Subject:

Re: Phaser: removing H in PDB increases the RFZ ?!

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Ed Pozharski <[log in to unmask]>

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Ed Pozharski <[log in to unmask]>

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Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:15:16 -0500

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The increase in RFZ is relatively small and not entirely unexpected.
While hydrogens only contribute one electron (as opposed to carbon (6),
nitrogen(7), oxygen(8) and sulfur (16)), there are many hydrogens (in
fact, almost as many as all the other atoms combined).  For instance, in
lysozyme you have (I used 3a67)

613 carbons, 193 nitrogens, 185 oxygens, 10 sulfurs and 

959 hydrogens.

Electron-wise this translates into ~13% of electrons being supplied by
hydrogens.  I certainly do not know how many hydrogens your model
contains, but from the snippet you present it seems that you may have
full set.  Also, the "problem" will be exacerbated by the fact that you
have B-factors of the hydrogens set to zero.  Assuming that your
non-hydrogen atoms have B-factors set to, say, 20, this will
approximately double the relative contribution of hydrogens at the
higher resolution end.  True, contribution of hydrogens is not exactly
additive, but it's probably not surprising to see roughly 5 percent
change in RFZ.  What is very interesting is that it seems to be general
*improvement*, so maybe we ought to include hydrogens when doing MR.  I
don't know if PHASER generates riding hydrogens automatically.

I think that characterize hydrogens as "transparent" to x-rays is
somewhat misleading.  There are plenty of examples where hydrogens are
seen in ultrahigh resolution structures.  Modern refinement programs all
use riding hydrogens and it improves models.  More precise statement is
that at not-ultrahigh (non-atomic) resolution (i.e. worse than 1.2A)
optical resolution is too low to distinguish two atoms separated by ~1A
(typical value of X-H covalent bond).

Cheers,

Ed.

On Tue, 2010-01-12 at 17:42 +0900, Francois Berenger wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I have 4 molecules.
> If I use Phaser's AUTO_MR with all default parameters on them,
> I get the following scores:
> 
>           no_modif remove_H
> molecule RFZ TFZ  RFZ TFZ
> 1        6.9 9.6  7.0 9.4
> 2        5.2 5.9  5.4 6.2
> 3        4.2 4.5  4.7 5.2
> 4        4.9 6.8  5.2 6.7
> 
> Hence, here are my existential questions, given that I heard
> many times "H is transparent for X-rays":
> * should I always remove H before running Phaser?
> * why?
> 
> Here are a few lines of one of my PDBs containing H, in case it is
> misinterpreted by Phaser:
> ---
> ATOM      6 1H   ALA A   1      18.629  -3.443  12.782  1.00  0.00 
> 
> ATOM      7 2H   ALA A   1      18.427  -2.484  13.918  1.00  0.00 
> 
> ATOM      8 3H   ALA A   1      17.496  -2.462  12.742  1.00  0.00 
> 
> ATOM      9  HA  ALA A   1      19.811  -0.866  13.013  1.00  0.00 
> 
> ATOM     10 1HB  ALA A   1      21.071  -1.469  10.982  1.00  0.00 
> 
> ATOM     11 2HB  ALA A   1      21.038  -2.809  12.152  1.00  0.00 
> 
> ATOM     12 3HB  ALA A   1      19.983  -2.852  10.720  1.00  0.00 
> 
> ---
> 
> Thanks a lot,
> Francois.


-- 
Edwin Pozharski, PhD, Assistant Professor
University of Maryland, Baltimore
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Then knowledge and wisdom are born along with hypocrisy.
When harmonious relationships dissolve then respect and devotion arise;
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