Dear Gunnar and Janet and all,

Most of the ways of  including design activity as part of a PhD look much
like classic Action Research. I'm thinking of action research and its
precedents as used in industrial settings rather than education.

Are there any significant epistemological or ontological differences from
action research?

Terry
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Dear Robert,

Greetings from the future where what you envisage 'might' happen has been
going on for well over a decade. I think the temporal discontinuity must be
your end rather than ours as we at CSM are surrounded by the same future
here in London .... Goldsmiths, the Royal College, Chelsea .. to name but 3.
Further afield there's  Glasgow, Cardiff...........

Catch up?  Ridicule?  Hmmmm!

Happy Christmas ;-)

Janet 

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Hi Gunnar

My take on this is that in future, Schools of Art and Design,
especially in the UK, will explore more the idea that 'making a film'
might be undertaken as part of a research degree process, in the sense
that the 'making' may allow insights that could not be identified
through other kinds of 'observation'.

In which case, future students will benefit from both the 'film-
related researcher' and the 'person good at making films' as one and
the same person. And they may look at this, and continue to be taught
by, film-makers from a non-academic environment.

This raises another question for me.

I recently posed an issue to immediate colleagues about the parallel
history of formal Art and Design education in the UK, and
traditionally University education. It went something like this:

'I wonder how we might perceive Research in the UK had Art and Design
been an integral part of the University system as it has developed
since the 1840s.'

What could Art and Design have contributed to the development of
Research protocols and debates as it has developed since?

Rather than having to play catch-up, as often seems to be the case.
Even occasionally be ridiculed, by traditional University subjects,
for a lack of etiquette and sophistication.

I know some of my colleagues here at Loughborough have explored what
we know about 'making', through 'making', as part of their PhD. I have
heard Chris Rust refer to the work of Owain Pedgley, in particular.

But I do like to entertain myself with the idea that Art and Design
has just simply arrived at this particular party much later than
expected.

And wearing jeans!

Robert.


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On 8 Dec 2009, at 23:00, Swanson, Gunnar wrote:

> If a university wants to teach filmmaking, it may make sense to have
> students spend some of their time with film researchers but I hope
> it goes without saying that they need to learn to make films from
> people who are good at making films (as opposed to people who are
> good at conducting film-related research.) The attitude toward
> degrees and worthwhile activities of the School of Communication at
> ECU is not unlike the attitude of many universities as a whole.